Mumberthrax

Yeah this is the theme from /v/typogra . I think working to get a better theme is a great idea. I don't know about donating money, but there may be people who would be willing to volunteer to help spruce things up.

Do you have any particular preferences regarding the look and feel of the subverse? Are there any specific elements of the current CSS that you think desperately ought to change, or is it more a general overall lack of appeal?

Mumberthrax

No, not really. I am willing to learn though if the community feels it would be beneficial. I think I could probably become competent with some deliberate study and practice. I'm also willing to add others who are competent with CSS as moderators.

joseph177

This sucks, someone can just stumble in here and take over a sub? This guy has no business taking over the sub..ugh

Taka

Anybody who mods that many subreddits cannot be good. I can't trust you one bit, OP.

Mumberthrax

: (

Would it help if I told you that i barely do anything on most of them? :D?

Taka

No.

Mumberthrax

Alright, well it's probably a good thing that you don't trust me anyway. Good to be skeptical. I hope that my actions will speak for themselves.

Taka

I'm sure they will when it comes to light that you're just another shill power mod like all the others.

Mumberthrax

What sort of actions would you prefer moderators not take? Like, what sort of bullshit power-tripping stuff would shill moderators do? I'd like to know so that I know what not to do.

Homo_ludens

Stick to those principles and keep an open communication with the community so they can kick any fledgling megalomania right to the curb and you'll be a great mod.

I like the metaconspiracy verse. Transparancy and accountability, all the good stuff the establishment lacks. What a radical idea. Good on you.

Can you only make one post a sticky?

Mumberthrax

I'll try to do what I can. I know that I have character flaws which make me less than ideal to lead or manage any group or community. If I or we can find ways to prevent those from causing harmful disruptions, then I'll be glad.

Yes voat (just like reddit) currently only permits one post to be stickied at a time. However it may be possible to use CSS to cause multiple links/posts to be prominently displayed on the front page of the subverse. If this is desired, we can look into it.

Homo_ludens

As long as you're not in it for the power, you're cool. What's a 'good' leader after all.

If you get drunk on power, I'll tear you down. Promise.

Mumberthrax

Good to know. xD

axolotl__peyotl

Welcome.

fuckyousantorum

Is it healthy for anyone to moderate 15 subverses? You could do a great job, I don't know, but how do you find the time?!

axolotl__peyotl

I only moderate 5 subverses.

Mumberthrax

I think @fuckyousantorum meant subreddits.

Mumberthrax

I think that it depends on how active the subverse/subreddits are, how many other mods there are on the sub, and what sort of work the moderator is expected to perform or what purpose the sub is intended to serve. It looks like less than half of axolotl's subreddits are active to any notable degree, and most seem to be niche or spinoffs from /r/conspiracy .

Mumberthrax

Thanks. : ]

I hope that you can understand why I made the subverse request instead of messaging you or the other mods directly prior. As voat picks up more activity, it seemed that the sub is at a critical stage where it could either become a clone of /r/conspiracy , become worse, or it could become its own thing and excel. I intend no disrespect to you or the other mods through this.

PrivateJoker

I really don't understand the backdoor route into modship. I also don't understand how someone could message Atko about this sub and just take over without any communication between the current mods. I've been here for almost a year, i visit on a daily basis. I would have liked to be involved in a conversation at the very least. I for one think it's shady, I personally have no idea who you are and don't agree with your reasoning behind sneaking into level 2 modship here.

/u/Atko

Homo_ludens

Why didn't you make the request yourself? It was there out in the open? Obviously no-one was interested in it, not the mods, not users of this subverse.

Should he have contacted the mods? Maybe. But then again, who knows how long it would've taken them to reply and come to a decision? It is not as if they didn't have the time to solve this themselves.

Besides, what's he gonna do? We can always have him removed if he misbehaves.

PrivateJoker

Why would I request a sub that I am already part of? In active subverses, if a request is made to take a sub over a PM should be sent to current moderators.

I guess I just expected common sense out of Atko.

Homo_ludens

No, it is your expectation that a pm should be sent. Perhaps others share the sentiment. That is quite different from common sense. Though it is a common mistake to confuse our values and expectations with a general common sense.

PrivateJoker

Ok, so common sense says anyone can go to request a subverse, and walk away with lead modship with zero communication even though other mods have been doing the job for a year. Makes sense

Homo_ludens

I didn't say that.

Mumberthrax

/v/subverserequest has been a thing for a while. You made a post on /v/conspiratard ( link ) even acknowledging that there is an application process to be given ownership of a subverse. Atko previously made a comment (on a post near the top of the front page of this sub) which i cited in my subverse request about how this subverse was eligible for request.

I think I explained the gist of my reasoning for this in my comment on that subverserequest post: https://voat.co/v/subverserequest/comments/88335/152638

It's true that it may have been the courteous thing to have messaged the current mods before making the subverse request. I suppose I had a personal bias in that I believed I would be a better person for the job, and a concern based on comments here and on reddit that some of the mods may not have the best interests of the community at heart - which is one of the big reasons so many of us left reddit for voat, due to corrupt mods.

I understand that there's no way that I can prove to you my sincerity or intentions through words, so the best that I can ask for is to be judged by my actions as moderator. If on the balance of things the community consistently wishes me to be gone, then I will step down. My actions should be visible via the moderation log, and through the log I have been and intend on updating with any notable actions I take as a mod here.

PrivateJoker

Well my thoughts:

1 - you don't request a subverse that is active. I don't care if the main guy is gone, it makes no sense to try to take it over. I know there's a process to do it, and I know I posted about it. Those are abandoned subverses with no other mods. Not one of the most active on this website with active mods already in place. If Atko or the active mods here had an issue, it should have been up to us to resolve it. I wouldn't have an issue if he just installed new level 1 mods. My issue is making a new user a level 2 while the mopes that have been here for a year don't even get notified.

2 - I've been here almost a year. A daily user for the most part. I was never a mod on reddit and I had the same concerns you did, which is why i'm here.

3 - Even after you took over, you never PMd anyone you just tossed a sticky up.

Trying to prove yourself is going to be hard now, just by the way you approached it. And I fault Atko just as much. I realize he's a busy guy but giving away subverses just because the creator is gone is not the way to do things. And this isn't the first time he's done it. I was a mod of /v/gaming for 7 months only to wake up one day to all mods stripped and one installed.

/u/Atko

Peglius

Private Joker is very on point here, its all a little shady, that being said, i haven't seen any real disruption to content, save this whole new overlord kurfuffle

PrivateJoker

I think it's funny that normally this type of thing would cause a riot with conspiracy users, yet everyone is ok with a stranger taking over the entire sub.

Sensei

Yes, I'd very much like for this subverse to govern itself; no outside influence from /r/conspiracy moderators.

Edit: Perhaps community-chosen mods could moderate this sub? Right now we've just got a few people from /r/conspiracy who nobody really elected to this position. How about we choose ourselves?

Mumberthrax

While i was looking through some of the old posts i saw where many of the current mods were mentioned or suggested. The people in those posts seemed supportive of them, and fenixrisin added just about all the names which were brought up. I can go back and pull those out later on just for historical context.

I don't know for certain that having no mods from /r/conspiracy is best necessarily, and i can definitely understand and appreciate the sentiment since i felt that way previously. I do think /r/conspiracy could be better in some ways, and I also think they're way better than they were in ages past so it isn't as though the mod team over there is wholly bad or incompetent by any means. I'm hopeful that we can have a very good and open community discussion on the subject though, weighing pros and cons of different processes for picking mods and what they should be doing. I hate to spend too much time about minutiae and create a lot of meta-drama, but it's important stuff and it's a topic that hasn't really been solidly addressed.

Sensei

Regardless of whether or not the /r/conspiracy mods are good, we must remain free on here. Have as little mods as possible to reduce the meta drama.

Also, there are many faults with the current mods you won't hear about because the complaints get downvoted by them.

Please do it for this sub, you'd be the man. Alternatively, just let it go for vote.

Mumberthrax

Well I and I'm sure the rest of the community would appreciate hearing about those complaints - logical argument is more important to me than votes in such matters. If you've got any links, or have heard of anything in particular even if you don't recall the source, I think it would be appropriate to share. I don't intend on censoring it - and I'm not certain but I think comment removals are listed in the moderation log . You could post it here in the comments, on another post to /v/conspiracy , on a post on /v/conspiracymeta , private message me, or wait until i sticky a post specifically for reviewing the mod team and how mods should be selected and comment there.

toobaditworks

Congrats!

I like the idea of compiling a list of links that are related to the sub. Once a week people or moderators should vote on really good links and topics. Something to engage the community. An on-going list of links with sources and videos that back up the information given.

I also would really like to see conspiracy folks publishing their own news right here on Voat.

Mumberthrax

Thanks.

I like that idea too, and having a weekly thing like that could be good. I think after a day or so I'll unsticky this post and replace it with an updated brainstorming post, and i'll be sure to include your idea there. I'm kind of picturing a situation where we see which ideas/suggestions/projects seem to be the most appealing to folks, and focus attention on developing those individually first.

Would you be willing to elaborate a bit more on people here publishing their own news on voat? I'm not sure that I understand entirely.

toobaditworks

Well I've seen great posts before in conspiracy where they covered all their bases and showed all their sources. One person would say: "want to know more" and post a gazillion links. His post were nice and very informative but I'm thinking have articles with interviews with actual people involved that's easier to read and have all the facts right there in your face. Basically a 'official' conspiracy news article written by someone who really knows their shit and interviews people involved but also vetted by the local conspiracy admins so no BS get's published as 'official".

Mumberthrax

"would you like to know more?"

Ah yes, -moose- and his other account back before (I don't remember what the name was). They'd always post great lists of relevant links.

Right on, I think that sounds pretty much exactly what I'd like to see too. People putting things together on their own and discussing these things rather than just posting links to news articles or videos.

A little while back there was some discussion on /r/c_s_t about an idea sort of similar to this. They wanted to create some "zines", which were sort of overviews of various conspiracy theories. https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/32fwkc/suggestion_theories_series/ Could be somewhat relevant.

axolotl__peyotl

I don't remember what the name was

yrugay

Mumberthrax

ah, yep. that was the one.

toobaditworks

Zines sounds cool. I like that idea.