PrivateJoker

Oh, i agree with that. Any time anyone disagrees they're called a shill. That just gives these people something to latch onto and mock people about.

PrivateJoker

I agree but in this case, it's a proven fact that israel/hasbara employs paid shills to astroturf social media and forums with pro-israel propaganda

baconwrappedenigma

I find it kind of ridiculous that you immediately claim that this person is a "shill" just because they have an opinion different than yours. Not that I agree with them, I don't, but still. I think the chances are much, much higher that this was just a regular person who you happened to disagree with.

asdasd

Dismissing someone who disagrees with you as an apologist and a shill is just an ad hominem and reflects poorly upon you more than an indication of a paid agent of an agenda.

salvia_d

Read his comments. Blaming the victims is idiotic at best, which is what he is doing.

asdasd

It is a complex conflict and few see Hamas as a victim, they see it as a terrorist group. So while you may disagree with his assertions, that doesn't make him idiotic.

Mumberthrax

While many of the other comments here are debating whether shills are real, if they're on voat, or whether this was a shill or not, I'd like to comment on your response.

I think you did a decent job of responding to the claim that genocide is not occurring in Palestine. You cited a source that the common person would find undeniably reputable on the subject, made relevant quotations including the items delineated in the UN resolution mentioned by your source.

I do want to address the first part of your quote, which i did not see in any of your linked sources, "As I stated, I do not..." Where is this quote from?

salvia_d

Glad you noticed, that first part is from my own blog post. I put together this info because I've had to use it many times and it was worth archiving. Unfortunately though since VOAT does not allow any posts to be submitted from blogspot I didn't provide that link. Here it is , not sure if VOAT will flag it though. You will be able to find the full post if you do a search for: "A Dinner Conversation: Israel and Armenia, Oppression and Genocides, Reality and Denials"

Mumberthrax

Ah I see. If I were your editor, I would advise you mention that you are quoting something you've written elsewhere previously, and maybe consider removing the "as i stated, " section of that initial sentence to avoid confusion.

salvia_d

Done, thanks.

Mumberthrax

lol, glad to be of assistance. xD

Diogenes_The_Cynic

The other user you were talking to is me.

Hi everyone.

I don't like lies. The use of the word genocide is untrue, emotionally manipulative, and a red herring for excusing Arab violence, and its consequences.

So, I correct the lies. That does not make me a shill. Unless exposing lies is shill operation, as it might be for salvia.

And to everyone else who has issue with Israelis defending their lives, I want you to do the following. Reread the history of the conflict but hold Arabs to the same standards as the Jews, and see if you still have a problem.

salvia_d

I don't believe that the majority of the US is still pro-Israel, and I believe as time passes and the truth starts to filter more and more into the mainstream, more people are looking at Israel with disgust than anything else.

A shill does not necessarily have to be paid (I haven't looked up the official definition). A pro-Israeli-shill could be someone who supports the Zionist agenda, and there are many of this group on forums. They have an organization specifically set up for that.

Pro-Israel group’s plan to rewrite history on Wikipedia

PrivateJoker

Look into christian zionism and the Scofield bible revisions done in the late 19th/early 20th centuries to get the brain dead religious zealots in this country to support israel.

salvia_d

I know some of these fanatics, I met some of them in the early days of the born again christian movement during the 1980's. They are just as bad as any religious fanatic, even worse is some aspects since they have some serious military hardware.

PrivateJoker

I live in a VERY christian conservative area. Some of these people are just nitwits. I never met a creationist until moving here for example, they actually do exist and they will argue to the death that evolution is a fraud, science is our religion, and other nonsense all the while denying hard core proof about the age of the planet and dinosaurs.

tonycongo

Voat is not big enough for shills yet.

Doog

There are most certainly shills here.

MrHarryReems

They're most certainly here.

chronos

I ran into one my first week here. Check the troll / shill watchlist in /v/antigot .

salvia_d

It's most definitely big enough. One of the things that matters most, that puts sites on the radar, is the growth rate, and VOAT is growing fast.

salvia_d

I don't use the word "Shill" for everyone. Since I've had to deal with many of them, I'm usually pretty good at knowing who they are. They all have the same tactics and the same arguments, it's almost as if they are working from a handbook or something.

salvia_d

lol... that's a good laugh on a Sunday morning, thanks :)

Greasetrap

I wouldn't be so quick to red-scare the threat of shills. Israel apologism is the narrative in the U.S. mainstream media, and its going to be the 'default' opinion for a lot of new people.