What fringe conspiracies do you believe are true? ( conspiracy )

submitted by AlmightySonOfBob

Seriously, like any conspiracy that isn't within the normal conspiracy spheres.

Example: Flat Earth.

Dysnomia

The claim of unpreparedness is unreasonable. Warnings were abundant for months leading up to the attack. We had a defence plan for hijacked planes. The plan was not followed. The warnings were not heeded.

jokersmild

The Watchers

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Dysnomia

Way to entirely misread my reasoning. Like seriously. You couldn't be any more wrong.

OWNtheNWO

What fringe conspiracies DO YOU believe are true Bob. If you are going to act like you are part of this community you are going to have to get vulnerable otherwise I just see a guy in a white coat poking a monkey in a cage.

AlmightySonOfBob

But I like poking the caged animals. I believe there is military technology that is at least 20-40 years ahead of anything us civilians know about. I have good reason to think that. I also think there are multiple "not so nice" groups operating within the higher up levels of society. I'm sure some of them have done some pretty insidious stuff. Don't think that's really fringe though.

I just wanted to see what the users /v/conspiracy had to say. If I wanted to mock them I'd post it all to /v/TopMindsOfVoat ...........but........I didn't.............and don't plan on it. Just trying to keep things interesting. Issue with that?

KorbenDallas

I asked my grandma long ago "why do wars happen" and she replied "Money. They'll always say it's for something else like God or patriotism but it's always money". I haven't seen any evidence yet to contradict what she said (money = land/treasure/pillage in ancient times).

joseph177

I can entertain almost any fringe conspiracy and try to think about them objectively. Since I can't prove or disprove many of them, I am forced to at least consider them.

Example: Flat earth - this seems to be making the trips around conspiracy circles and is probably an organized dis-info campaign. Since I have been around the world, I don't believe it.

Others: moon landing is questionable at best IMO. It could very well be both IMO (we went, under dark/black projects, but it was also stages/televised to funnel money into the project).

ImReallyHighBut

So was I

;)

catova

There was an interesting free energy summit on roku anomalies channel. One video talked about the proof the US used a directed energy weapon to turn the twin towers into dust. Included images of cars on fire several miles from the twin towers, towers turning into dust with very little rubble, gassing from car door handles.

BUILDING7

We sent men to Serpo in zeta reticuli in an exchange program with the ebins. Google serpo exchange.

AlmightySonOfBob

Al Bielek's accounting of the Philadelphia Expirement is totally out there

Is he the one who said "witnesses" said there was a man "phased" into one of the bulkheads of the ship? Like stuck in the metal?

Hoagland is fringe. imo.

What about SH makes you think conspiracy?

salvia_d

The CIA/Bush gave the helicopter flight plans of the mission that Carter authorized to rescue the Iranian hostages.

Oh ya, and this isn't really fringe, but the CIA/MI6/Mossad removed the Shaw of Iran from power and put Ayatollah Khomeini in his place, creating the Islamic State of Iran.

ImReallyHighBut

Professional wrestling is ballet for rednecks.

You just don't understand.

unixfreak

I don't know if the holographic universe is still a fringe theory... at least it's getting some mainstream science recognition over the past few years. But i'm highly leaning towards the idea that our universe is a hologram.

We created ourselves. Existence is nothing more than a fractal paradox of collective consciousness. I believe that many unexplained events ranging through synchronicity to shared dreams and shared hallucinations are the watermarks of that idea. We are all connected, because we are all one. You could say we (consciousness) are the definition of god. All life within the universe, is just a different interpretation of a shared experience branched of by the 'singularity' of consciousness.

To put it bluntly, i believe that our physical existence is just an illusion interpreted through the rules of an organic vessel. We are the universe, and the universe is us.

AlmightySonOfBob

Wrong department. Close though.

BUILDING7

It's hard to define a "fringe" conspiracy theory because so many of them are mainstream...I would say that the most far out one that I believe is that Christianity was made up after the fact by Titus, that there never was a historical Jesus, but rather he was based on many myths of magi, and that it was more of a tool to unite the Holy Roman Empire than an actual belief system.

http://archive.org/stream/CaesarsMessiahTheRomanConspiracyToInventJesus/CaesarsMessiah-TheRomanConspiracyToInventJesus_djvu.txt

Aboresh

I actually did a bachelors in comparative religion (I know, completely useless) and it still amazes me the double standards that go on in that field in regards to Jesus and other religious figures. You can say almost anything about other religions, however if you point out that there is no contemporary sources to talk about him and that the Roman writers we do have talk about his followers and that the Romans have no records of crucifying Jesus, well, you're apparently a kook.

EDIT: We also weren't allowed to point out that Muhammed was a barbarian.

Empire_of_the_mind

hollow earth is always entertaining.

Mumberthrax

As PoorDelphiPrgrmr noted, it probably depends on how "fringe" is defined.

If there's sufficient evidence to warrant a reasonable belief in a conspiracy, can it be fringe?

I can't speak for others on this but for myself if a conspiracy theory doesn't have a mountain of evidence, then at best i will have strong suspicious that it is true, but not belief.

But if I were the sort to believe in such things without necessarily a mountain of evidence, would I even be able to recognize my beliefs as "fringe"?

Dysnomia

I think belief systems are b.s.

That said, I strongly suspect there's something to covert geoengineering/chemtrails.

I wouldn't be surprised by disclosure of D.U.M.B.s, the Mars Base, intelligent E.T.s visiting Earth.

My least believable conspiracy is either that 20 Saudi terrorists pulled off 9/11 without assistance from within the US government OR that Lee Harvey Oswald actually killed Kennedy all on his own.

PoorDelphiPrgrmr

The whole religion thing isn't very fringe anymore, we all know that it's complete bull shit. In fact at this point in the country less than half of the people in it REALLY believe what any religious text says. They're pretty much all from an older text that was from another older text that was from oral traditions that was all just a way to make sense of the universe. In other words, non-scientific bull shit. The only reason that we subscribe to it now is that it is just easier to teach others with the "Word of God" than it is to really show them the difference between right and wrong.

Dysnomia

It is actually way more intereting than that. For one, the acacia wood from which the ark of the covenant was made contains high levels of dimethyltryptamine. Moses' burning bush is widely suspected to have been Syrian rue, which contains potent MAOI inhibitors.

In the gnostic gospels Jesus states repeatedly that god can only be found by looking within yourself. Exactly the opposite of what the catholic church has preached for millennia. I might add there are extensive connections between the catholic church, intelligence agencies, and organized crime.

And then don't get started on the persistence of archetypes throughout religions separated by distamce and time. Buddha and Osiris both had 12 disciples and underwent three trials. The persistence of the food myth. The scientific evidence for global flooding following the vaporization of an ice sheet by an asteroid 30,000 years ago. The flower of life showing up in ruins on every continent (save Antarctica... Yet.)

(I've just realized that you probably mentioned religion because the first thing I said was 'I think belief systems are b. s.'. This actually was a reference to the optimistic skeptic Robert Anton Wilson whom I quote in saying "belief is the death of intelligence," meaning that once something is adopted as a belief you stop seriously considering exceptions that don't align with your belief. TL;dr- that was an aside about OP's phrasing of the question.)

PoorDelphiPrgrmr

How do you determine what is "fringe??"

I personally believe that the holocaust has been blown out of proportion by the Jews in the world. I have no doubt that many many people died due to the Nazi regime, but history is written by the winners, and Stalin killed exponentially more people than Hitler (or his regime), and we haven't 'demonized' him as we have Hitler and the Nazis.

Another good one is that everything on television is complete shit setup to make us all forget what horrible things are happening outside (or even inside) this country.

KorbenDallas

There were two holocausts in that war: the first perpetrated by the Nazis against Jews, Poles, Gypsies and others. And another against the ethnic German populations of Eastern Europe carried out by the Soviets and local peoples at the end of the war and is hardly ever mentioned.

unixfreak

Another good one is that everything on television is complete shit setup to make us all forget what horrible things are happening outside (or even inside) this country.

I wouldn't call that fringe. I'd call that a hard fact.

BUILDING7

I don't believe there was ever a German extermination program via the gas chamber. Yes, the interment camp and enslavement of the Jews and others was a tragedy and so was their starvation and death from typhus caused by the parasite louse. But there is no documentation proof of there ever being a program to exterminate via gassing or other methods and the evidence of those claims (NOT TESTIMONIES which are unreliable) doesn't hold up. Also the historical documentation such as the red cross report, which is the most unbiased source and purposely supressed also doesn't mention anything about extermination and puts the death toll at less than 500,000.

PrivateJoker

I really never thought about it until joining reddit a few years ago and actually reading up on it. And then I see how Israel lies its ass off today and can only imagine that same theory existed back then (lies/hyperbole = massive support).

The holocaust was terrible but the long list of impossibilities and lack of evidence makes me question the events and the motives behind the lies.

ImReallyHighBut

Pro sports are fixed

Religion and politics are the same

Television is entirely shit

AlmightySonOfBob

Pro sports is so fucking fixed it's not even entertainig to me anymore. Religion is something I hope disappears one day. I get the feeling no matter what though, politics is here to stay.

Aboresh

Bigfoot is totally real. I think a population of some unknown species could totally live for the most part unobserved in the Pacific Northwest.

Edit: There are probably space aliens as well, but I very much doubt they've been to Earth. If they did it was probably during dinosaur times. I assume they left and won't be back because for all they know Earth is still inhabited by giant monsters.

AlmightySonOfBob

My father in law would completely agree with you.

PrivateJoker

I lived near laurier, wa for 4 years (google it). Nothing is around there really. My ex's uncle saw a gray haired bigfoot about 8 feet tall there about 20 years ago. Bossberg, WA (home of the cripple bigfoot legend) is not too far away.

I myself was up on a mountain last year cutting firewood when i heard a series of loud knocks. I ignored it, then another series of knocks. At this point i can't explain it but the hair on the back of my neck went up and i got an irresistible urge to GTFO. I never had that before in my life. I later read that some people get the same feeling when they have sightings.

joseph177

I wasn't much of a believer until I watched Lloyd Pye and his lectures...they give a pretty fascinating & plausible explanation for the beast.

PrivateJoker

I need to watch them. Dr Meldrum's book was really good though. He's a professor of anthropology in Idaho and he's personally seen evidence like a trail of footprints where each print is unique and he claims either someone made 100 casts of different feet or it was a real animal.

All i know is where i used to live has 3 people per square mile. If someone wanted to fake it, i'm not sure why it would be there because chances are no one would see it.