klongtoey

doubt they were all crisis actors, but don't doubt this was enabled and facilitated by fbi or whoever.

poly

Do you suppose those poll questions are phrased in such a way to get the answers they want? Who would even ask such an absurd question?

Excuse me, ma'am, im from Pew research, doing a poll on whether you think its sometimes justified to drop nuclear bombs on Japanese cities, if the intent for dropping bombs is to end a war"

Gee, well i guess when you put it that way, it is ok to incinerate tens of thousands of civilians in japan, because reasons!

Penn and Teller expose polls as the propaganda they are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViYI1BkhyRk

poly

Makes you wonder why every high school graduate in America knows all about the Nazi holocaust, but very few know anything about the Bolshevik holocaust.

Its because the media is in the hands of the perpetrators

Unreasonable

This plays into the narrative.

ISIS wants a tough response, thus justifying the US/NATO presence in Syria. They are working together, the Obama administration and ISIS.

The reason the LGBT club (which isn't real, there are gay clubs, lesbian clubs and transgender burlesque shows, they do not tend to congregate in the same place after closing hours.) was hit, was to engender support for the homosexuals. You'll hear "solidarity", "we're all Americans" (normalizing homosexuality further), "the shooter was gay" (implying everyone opposed to homosexuality is a closet homo), etc... Also the timing, at the beginning of both Pride Week/Month plus Ramadan, it will be talked about amongst both communities constantly for at least 3 weeks.

I can elaborate further if requested.

UncontrollableSphere

Education is the foundation. In some ways, Christianity encouraged it. Literacy jumped when the printing press started churning out bibles, for instance. But now organized religion seems more intent on fighting science and education than on promoting it.

poly

If education was so great, why do you still believe men walked on the moon?

Grunge

My thought is that it is always a possibility with our tyrannical government.

SeanBox

I think he was mad that he couldn't get laid at a gay club so he shot up the club. Everyone that said they saw him there before basically ignored him. He wanted some dick.

salvia_d

Organized religion is bad.

FTFY.

Note: People have committed atrocities in the name of every religion.

bdmthrfkr

I don't know if this is a false flag op but I do know that everybody seems to have forgotten about those missing pages of the 9/11 report.

klongtoey

haven't heard any more of panama papers either for last few weeks. that story seemed to go quiet pretty fast.

Firinmahlazer

Idk if the attack itself was but I'm wary of the new "he was gay" story coming out. Seems like they are going to shift away from the terrorists thing and keep on this "he was a closeted homosex that was his motivation".

SpottyMatt

Has there been a terrorist attack or mass shooting since 9/11 that people didn't claim was a false flag? It seems unrealistic to me that there have not been any real terrorist attacks or mass shootings in that timeframe.

Unreasonable

There haven't been any "real" attacks for 50 odd years. The last real terrorist organization was the IRA. The rest have been funded and used by the various states as tools of oppression.

twentyfive

yes there has been

EdSnowden

So, there are at least a billion Muslims in the world, at least half of whom think terrorism is a valid means of political change. Yet you still think that it's not actually radical Islam causing this, but some shady people in the background organizing it for their own gain.

pitenius

Great timing, but the Muslim aspect runs counter to the migrant narrative.

smokratez

Haven't seen any proof that it wasn't.

dan_k

Someone (I don't know who) is eager to breed hate.

smokratez

I saw that as well. What sense does it make to carry an allegedly injured person back to the pulse nightclub?

CelestialPhoenix

Its probably a false flag attack to distract the populace (again) from any involvement of NATO (which includes the USA)into ISIS and other militant and fascist islamic groups and to get sympathy for the gay community. On the gay community aspect there may be something big coming on Family Law and related. By big some overhaul which could be highly objectionable.

Furthermore, it may be since the Russians and the Syrian Army are attacking Raqqa, the capital of ISIS, to rally Americans to deploy troops in Syria and in turn salvage NATO equipment and people of interest.

dildonkers

If it was, this was the most catastrophically bad situation to stage for Obama. What you have is an event where a Muslim with various clearances slipped through the federal net THREE TIMES, prompting people to look at Obama's weak stance and/or complicity in Islamic terrorism.

I'd go as far as to say this is the worst ideological attack the left has ever seen as it was two minorities they defend (Muslims and Gays) directly clashing. All the ones before could be defended as a result of imperialism but today it was one MUH OPPRESSIONS group hitting another. It was the left cannibalizing itself.

I think it rules out any chance this was a false flag. It was more like a very coincidental gift to Trump that has the globalists in 100% damage control. Hence why Reddit went down. This was the realest one in a long time.

Blacksunshine

Obama doesn't care, he's on his way out, no catastrophe. Absolutely this is a false flag distraction - it's working great - no bilderberg discussions are making the front page.... Mission Accomplished.

dildonkers

Obama cares about getting Hillary in. The elites are going apeshit about Trump, there's no way they'd engineer something that could doom Hillary.

poly

Supposedly the "man on the street" in Israel really wants Trump.

This is interesting, because when was the last time anyone asked Americans who they prefer in israeli elections?

Nobody asks, because nobody cares what you think.

PunchousPilot

My question is around the attack being a false flag. You highlight my point exactly. All the discussion is Islam is bad - which I agree with - but there seems to be more to it - like more gunmen - like actors..... it is so hard to disseminate media info these days which is why I look to discussions and reasoning in places like voat.