In particular, the box beams around the perimeter of the building were two inches thick, so the thickness of more than two layers of armored plate would have had to be penetrated by a subsonic projectile of light metal, compared to the shaped, dense supersonic tungsten or DU projectile actually needed to penetrate armor.

I've come around to wondering about exactly who got killed in the attacks as much as who did the killing. I have started to suspect that there was a meeting of most of the high-level officials from the secret government up there that day and their deaths resulted in a crippling power vacuum in the regular government, and that whoever did 9/11 has been totally in control of the government ever since.

It's extremely obvious that the government got outsmarted on 9/11 but it is not at all obvious why anyone would think the government ever stopped being outsmarted in the aftermath. What evidence is there to support that idea? We know they pulled the proverbial wool over the proverbial eyes, but who is suggesting that we have removed the wool? Why are they suggesting that? In my estimation the wool is still very much there and that is why everything the government has done since 9/11 can be characterized as flailing around blindly.

EDIT: I was talking about WTC but there is also a well-known fact that the attack on the Pentagon killed 99% of the staff of the Office of Naval Investigations, and I assume that must be connected to the nuances of admiralty law that permeate the space of modern conspiracy theories.

That is true; you cannot prove a negative. We can never prove that it WASN'T holograms.

dude, c'mon. They just used a different type of plane and switched them out mid-flight, the burden of proof for holograms has not been met.

The fact Bill Cooper forecasted it may happen just from watching CNN. Though, it appears he was pretty radical, and you could argue a broken clock is right twice a day, he hit the nail on the head 3 months ahead of time.

I'm on the fence about his death though. It's not unreasonable to me that a known outspoken anti-government weapons owner would end up in a gun fight with the cops, but the fact the cops were not in uniform and in an unmarked car to make an arrest is totally fucked up.

Edit: One could go on about the mysterious deaths... William Rodriguez, Barry Jennings, and Danny Jowenko being pretty high profile ones.

Here is a page claiming that Pilots for 9/11 Truth think that the planes could potentially travel that fast at 700 ft. http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/flight_175_impossible_speed.htm

edit: I'm an idiot, if I want to cite the Pilots, I should look at their website. Reading now... http://pilotsfor911truth.org/wtc_speed_part2.html

That is a good point. I wish there were a source we could point to on this, but that does make it rather suspicious.

False flag operation carried out to justify an invasion of the middle east. Now it is used to marginalize people who are anti-globalist.

i believe that we will never know the full truth as they have already done a miraculous job branding anyone who even asks a question as a loony toon

I believe that eventually, inevitably truth has a way of finding it's way to the light.

The Aviation grade aluminum has magnesium in it. when it catches fire, it produces it's own oxygen and gets ridiculously hot.

So hot that it can melt through the armored steel of an aircraft carrier.

It is why we have bulldozers on the aircraft carriers. WE can not put out those fires, it is impossible, so we jettison the aircraft. We are at sea, so we have that luxury.

When aircraft catch fire on land like that, we have no choice but to watch it burn. We also have to clear the area, because most of the time rounds cook off and fire.

It is heartbreaking to watch.

So knowing that, it is quite possible that was what caused the towers to fall.

The reason for the cover ups: Saudis. I believe that there are anti-american Saudi royals that where funding and planning with bin-laden. They just happen to have donated large sums of money illegally to american politicians so it got covered up for a bit.

My mind tells me, that both Building 7 and the twin towers were destroyed by control demolition. The US Government still refuses to release page 29 of the full 9/11 Commission report.

1. Rapid onset of destruction.

2. Constant acceleration at or near free-fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance

3. Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel.

4. Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph.

5. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds.

6. Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the “crush zone,”.

7. Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile.

8. Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles.

9. Evidence of thermite incendiaries on steel beams.

10. Nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples.

Bro, if you don't understand the technology used and don't pretend to, then the intellectually honest position is "I don't know." I don't mean to shame you; there are many, many things that I don't know, which is why I'm reading about 9/11 15 years after the fact. If you want to tack on "But my gut tells me that there were no 767's," that is your prerogative, but it doesn't contribute much to the conversation. Having said that, I would be interested in hearing why you think the 767's are fishy, but your gut feeling only serves to guide us to questions we should be asking to learn more, but not what the answers are.

Thanks for posting though. I tried these links on reddit too, and shills immediately downvoted it out of sight.