iamrage

You people in the US, to put it bluntly, are fucked.

Nothing and no one will regain control of voting or the government. You've let both go wild for the past 20 years and now expect things to change overnight? The US is so heavily corrupt at this point, it'll take a civil war far greater than anything that came before it to fix that shit.

All I can say is, don't let them take your 2nd amendment because you'll be surrendering the last deterrent that keeps them from rolling out a full blown police state only Hitler could be proud of.

twentyfive

No, it won't be fair.

Lag-wagon

It wouldn't be hard at all... you have thousands of people working for you. Thousands of people can get shit down rather quickly.

Secondly, a state could vote 110% for trump and the electoral college could still vote for hillary.

Konran

Exactly - 'It's not the people who vote that count, but it's the people who count the votes.'

Kal

Are they literate? How can people be so stupid?

Yeah working class ladies, Hillary is totally on your side.

Kal

Sorry, but I'm going to find it amusing when Hillary wins despite the fact that you will be hard pressed to find 10 actual Hillary supporters.

Apathy

It's a back and forth clusterfuck, and I never said I wouldn't vote.

Apathy

People looking up their shit and the rest finding out. I never said the unclaimed were different. If you didn't vote, you'd get an "unclaimed" vote and if it changed or was different, you could always announce it.

Lag-wagon

This is total bullshit. If I, the government, wanted someone to win I would just print peoples names and who I wanted to win and throw the real ones away.

luckyguy

What it showed was the power of direct democracy. US politicians are smart enough to never let us do that on an issue that's had actual coverage. Sure local ballot inititives are a thing but they no before they even make it a ballot item which way it will go and there is never a communal discussion.

Imagine if they gave us direct democracy vote on immigration.

katphish

I thought states making marijuana legal did so with a majority vote of citizens. And that seems like direct democracy to me.

Stalker42

The UK paper system is difficult to rig, there are thousands of voting booths and thousands of sealed ballot boxes that travel under chain of custody to the counting rooms and counting is immediate and in a publicly viewable area.
To make a major difference somebody would have to swap out ballot boxes with pre-filled papers and since only about half of the genuine boxes would have a vote they didn't want they'd have to swap out a lot. That would be a lot of people to bribe to break the custody chain and there's an increased risk with every one about the bribe or even the attempt. Now an electronic system would be much easier to fix.

Maybe the Brexit result is planned for and an example is going to be made to show what happens if you try to leave, after a time of punishment the UK will likely have to come crawling back to the EU with a lesson sent out to all other member states.

Jizzmaster3000

The advantage of paper ballots in the British referendum is that the voting booths close at 10pm and the results are usually called between 3-4am. This gives a very small window to not only count all the votes, but also to attempt any large scale voter fraud.

Voting machines are much more easy to rig, and make voter fraud much more efficient, and yeah, with Hillary i expect vote rigging on a record breaking scale.

Apathy

They got over confident and fucked up. Probably even tried to rig it a bit and there was overwhelming support (silent majority type thing). Now that Brexit happened, I think they'll be doubling down on the US elections.

What we need in the US is a private (changes every election) vote # that's handed out to every citizen after the election, and a giant list of the votes and vote #. That way your employer can't ask for your # before you vote, but you can just give them a fake one that leads to a vote for whomever your employer favors. And it allows you to look up your vote, to see if it's the way you voted.

pessimisticsteel

Finally a constructive idea

green_man

Also, the databases should be scrubbed of any identifying information and released to the public, that way a district of 1000 registered voters doesn't end up with 1500 votes. Unfortunately this still doesn't prevent dead people from voting.

watitdew

That is a fantastic idea.