It's been two days. Still awaiting your response.

Where the sky is a dome and outer space is a lie

You see, this is where I can't just accept what you are saying. Yes, I agree it is good to ask questions - I would say question everything. However, in saying that we must also know when to be humble and accept we don't know as much as we think we do. The reason snake-oil salesmen could actually make a living is because they were very believable with their words. This flat Earth theory is a similar argument in persuasion - not science.

There are many fields in science that all point to the fact that the Earth is spherical. This has been established over centuries using theoretical, observational, methodical and experimental science. The different branches of astronomy, physics, biology, geology, chemistry, etc. have all reached the same conclusion - the Earth is round (more or less), it is not flat.

I also think it is interesting. But more so for the reasons behind this need for people to believe in something that isn't actually going to help change anything. It certainly doesn't provide a reason to live and therefore falls way short of the logic for religion. So I ask you - why is there such an explosion in this idea that was first re-hatched back in 1956? And are you really investigating or are you being led?

And one final simple question; how do flat earth theorists explain meteorites/fireballs?

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What? Like "Flat Earth"?

No. You can't do one better unless you can answer my original question. Which really can't be done logically.

The reasoning used in the video you linked to is extremely flawed. The basic premise put forward is that because there is perspective to sunrays at twilight when viewed by a person, that this means that stars act in the same way and those in the South are moving similar to a mirror version of the North. For this theory to work we must also accept that stars are going around us like they are on some kind of a semi-globe.

Therefore I assume you may think you have answered my question - but what you have linked here does not make sense. As the moon moves around the flat Earth how could it change it's orientation? Are there two moons? Does the original moon disappear when it reaches the Southern hemisphere? Apparently there is no Southern hemisphere on a flat Earth so explain why there should be any difference at all.

I'll give you a clue; it's an impossible conundrum to answer. So unless you can provide me with some logical and verifiable explanation to answer my original question I remain with my belief that you are deluding yourself into believing a fallacy. A fallacy that was disproved centuries ago.

There is a point in the video (15:27) when the narrator correctly states 'that's a hard one to visualise', and this is very true. Do you know why it's true? Because it's impossible for this entire 'idea' to actually function.

Even if you think the accepted model is ridiculous, the other models are even more ridiculous. People have circumnavigated the globe, in both boats and planes. Even if you don't trust NASA, there are other groups that have been to space. We have thousands of satellites in orbit, giving us things like GPS and television. How do you explain those? Are they putt-putting around in a circle above us on an infinite supply of fuel? What about the horizon? The first thing you see when something crosses the horizon is the top of it. Sailors have known that for literally centuries. On top of that, when we look at the other planets in our solar system, what do they all have in common? Every planet we've ever observed is spherical (or at least a spheroid, if you want to nitpick), what makes you think that our little third rock from the Sun is any different?

I'm more likely to believe a hollow-earth theory than a flat-earth one. Hell, even the Time Cube theory is more fleshed out than this. You're entitled to your opinion but when 99.9999999999999999999% of the scientific community agrees that the earth is round, I'm going with them.

NAFTA / TPP?

space lizards

Bunk

Trilateral Commission

Real and part of the "Secret Societies" aka Global Elites. They are not looking out for the common man.

I thought the Nazi's built that moon base?

UpVoat for use of the word Twat

Ask people what the think conspiracy means, or what they associate with it. "Alien conspiracy" "lizard conspiracy" etc. In actuality, all a conspiracy means is "a secret deal between at least 2 parties". So if you and your neighbor decide to both report a third neighbor without being open about it, that's a conspiracy.

Such is the way with things like flat-earth, etc. It's to not only discredit us, but also confuse people who revolt against the status quo.

And so was mine bro I was just keeping it going. WAY TO STOMP ON MY PUNCHLINE DICK

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING A SOROS SHILL WOULD SAY

NICE TIN FOIL HAT BRO LOL HOLOCAUST DENIER LOL LIZARD PEOPLE LOL FAKE MOON LANDING.

You bet your ass there are fake conspiracies to poison the well. Anyone who questions anything is a crackpot weirdo.

No further comments when I take the time to point out how full of shit you are, eh?

Definitely. We're constantly flooded with stupid conspiracy theories so whenever anyone brings up something that might be a legitimate conspiracy, everyone's first reaction is "Oh, just like how shapeshifting lizards secretly control the world?" and shit like that.

Explain how the moon appears to be upside down when looking from Australia compared to the U.S. please.

Also look at the moon from the Southern Hemisphere and it will appear to be upside down compared to the northern view. Explain how they do that on a flat earth.

Some of the comments in this thread DEFINITIVELY prove this conspiracy to be 100% fact.... Though I'm not sure it needed a conspiracy.

There is no "globe model". There is simply all of established science vs. the flat earth model. The flat earth model isn't one of "solar system", it's one of "an entire new body of physics". You can refer to the page and half I just wrote to your other comment.

EDIT: Also, simply pick ANY OTHER STAR IN THE SKY to triangulate from. Suddenly your entire theory falls flat.

Problem is that lunar eclipses have been witness while the sun and moon were in the sky at the same time.

I wouldn't mind a source on this if you have one handy. If true, its quite possible that an inferior planet (mercury or venus) was responsible for casting such a shadow. I'll be the first to admit its not very likely, but at that distance, a planet would cast a shadow far larger than the moon, due to its proximity to the sun.

We're actually supposed to see a full moon when earth is in between the sun and moon

This doesn't happen very often. Because the moon's orbital plane isn't perfectly parallel to the earth's, we usually get partial lunar eclipses, or more often, none at all.

On a side note, I think a lot of people only take issue with the theory because it's more of a scientific line of inquiry than it is a conspiracy. Both models do have their merits, but I just don't see how one or the other being proven would effect me on a personal level.

You have a very basic misunderstanding of how vision works. Visual acuity has nothing to do with how FAR your eye can see...

"Visual acuity refers to the ability to resolve two separated points or lines, but there are other measures of the ability of the visual system to discern spatial differences."

"Visual acuity depends upon how accurately light is focused on the retina, the integrity of the eye's neural elements, and the interpretative faculty of the brain.[23] "Normal" visual acuity (in central, i.e. foveal vision) is frequently considered to be what was defined by Hermann Snellen as the ability to recognize an optotype when it subtended 5 minutes of arc, that is Snellen's chart 6/6 meter, 20/20 feet, 1.00 decimal or 0.0 logMAR."

As one might have guessed from the word "acuity", it is a measurement of how accurate your eyes are.

Your definition of Diffraction is close enough to reality, but since you wanted to get technical, here it is defined by wikipedia:

"Diffraction refers to various phenomena which occur when a wave encounters an obstacle or a slit. It is defined as the bending of light around the corners of an obstacle or aperture into the region of geometrical shadow of the obstacle. In classical physics, the diffraction phenomenon is described as the interference of waves according to the Huygens–Fresnel principle. These characteristic behaviors are exhibited when a wave encounters an obstacle or a slit that is comparable in size to its wavelength."

Your next statement is where you really start to lose me: "Your eye cannot see forever". You understand your eye isn't reaching out and sensing things, right? Light is emitted or reflected by something, which then strikes your retina, and is interpreted by the brain. That's a rather simplified explanation, but you can read further here , and look at this picture of an eye . Your eye can literally only see what is physically touching it.

Now since light can travel quite literally forever , and your eye senses light, you can see as far as light has bothered to travel and hit your retina. I can look out my window and see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye, yet it's located 2.6 million light-years from Earth.

You then claim that "it's easy to flippantly dismiss flat earth". There's really nothing to be dismissed. Your youtube videos are excellent examples of persuasion, and not examples of science. If the earth is flat, then basically all the rest of science is wrong. They are incompatible and mutually exclusive ideas. Somehow you people think NASA and satellites are how we know the earth is round. You lack a very basic understanding of the entire body of all scientific work.

I would strongly recommend you acquaint yourself with HISTORY, and therefore how we slowly discovered, independently and the entire world over, that the earth was round (it's not a perfect sphere, but it is round).

A great starting point, if you honestly have a real interest in anything beyond dogma, is Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything .

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21.A_Short_History_of_Nearly_Everything

If nothing else it will point you towards the top 50 scientist/mathmeticians in the last 2500 years that really shaped what we know today.

I think i got trolled....

You obviously fail to grasp what Eratosthenes accomplished if you believe he assumed that all ligtht from the sun is perpendicular to the earth.

Someone should tell Jesse Ventura this, and Alex Jones.

This is another extremely obvious one.

If we were a flat disk, the cosmic ballet that our planet, the moon, and the sun would have to do in order to keep a round shadow (and the phases of the moon in general) would be ridiculous

You can also see it at the top of a mountain.

Use your special eyes.

Actually you can't.

Okay, now you're just literally trolling. I'll just get out my telescope and have a peak at NYC from here in Canada then.

EDIT: It actually makes me sad there are two people dumb enough to believe in a flat earth....

EDIT2: Make that 3... and presumably counting.

You're conveniently ignoring the rest of the universe and a lot of other important information. I'm not really interested in being the person who convinces you. Anyone with a basic understanding of math doesn't need to rely on anyone's explanation. They can literally measure it themselves.

I think there are conspiracies about creating stupid conspiracies to make everyone distrust conspiracies because of the stupid conspiracy theories there are, even made by the government.

I think there is a conspiracy to create really stupid people, because they will do really stupid things which will act as a cover for the creators-of-these-stupid-people to get away with the shit that they are getting away with.

You don't need many, all you need is FEW REALLY retarded conspiracy theories to make ALL conspiracy theorists look retarded.

Replace most of the population with robots and begin the start of space mining and expansion, its really the only logical step, you can't sit on this rock forever counting your beans.

The conspiracy is that feeling you had when you were a child that all the adults knew what they were doing, when you grew up you realized that they all just made it up as they went along. It's the same thing with government.

Duh

Poorly educated, unaccomplished people are in abundance and they are the most susceptible to believing in the devil theory of history - that the world's problems are as simplistically explained as evil suits conspiring against them somewhere. There is a reason why conspiracy theories are most popular among Muslims, blacks, and lower end whites.

One would be unwise to read much more into it than that.

Then again I'm probably a shill paid by the CIA to dissuade you from the tr00th of space lizards and the Trilateral Commission ruling all and controlling all so you might want to disregard what I'm saying to you.

Always bet on stupid as well. People are smart individuals but in groups they become stupid as it becomes a Team think mentality.

Absolutlely. All those ridiculous conspiracy theories like "flat earth", or how no one died in Sandy Hook or Pulse Orlando -- that it was all just actors hamming it up for the television cameras -- are intentional disinfo meant to paint anyone who speaks of any conspiracy appear to be mentally unstable and feeble minded.

duh