TreadCarefully

Click your heels three times and say 'Theres no place like home, there's no place like home.'

Haha, fooled you. You're still here sucker.

un1ty

Reminds me of a few 2012 authors like Jose Arguelles who argued that we WERE on a time diversion but that 2012 was supposed to reconverge reality with this alternate time line and we'd be right-as-rain. I wonder if its opposite?

http://www.lawoftime.org/infobooth/hc24.html

VoaterFraud

I get your point, I like to keep my mind open. But I feel the weakest link in this topic is human memory. When reading we look at the whole word (seasoned readers) not the individual letters in a word. Berenstain is an unusual word and I'll bet most people just read it as Berenstein, just like confirmation bias would work.

I sometimes get tripped up by the word "of" how does that word get spoken like "ov" so when reading sometimes it registers as "auf" in my mind when reading. But what do I know? I'm certainly no expert.

VoaterFraud

A few years ago when the Berenstain bears controversy came out I was shocked that folks didn't know or remember the right name of the authors. I remember reading those books to my daughter when she was young. (early 1990's) I definitely remember them as Berenstain because when I first looked at the title, I had to re-read it to make sure it was Berenstain. My confirmation bias wanted to read it as Berenstein. Fast forward to 2016... any memory problems people have are because of the LHC or SSC (or take your pick of any particle accelerator/collider) and the whole Earth/universe is in an Alternate Timeline? What happened to critical thinking?

B3bomber

Yeah not directly. I'm pretty sure that schwartzchild radius is incorrect or the actual understanding of the energy required to get that size/density of such a thing is far beyond the scope of human comprehension let alone technical ability.

Scifi realm it will stay. They haven't figured out an energy/matter density source the size of a Voyager probe to power the theoretical FLT warp drive with so it's safe to say the black hole thing can't happen.

B3bomber

I would safely say you cannot fucking accomplish it since your definition of mass lacks so much shit it ain't even funny. So yeah, it is not possible to form a black hole with our tech that could actually do something. Just think of the energy a single lightning bolt releases, not to mention the entire storm. A nuke doesn't hold a candle to a hurricane.

B3bomber

The thing is, if a black hole were generated, it would likely dissipate as quickly as it formed because there is not enough energy to make one that would pull off that scenario. Black holes that form that can do something tend to be formed from extremely heavy stars that blow up then collapse on themselves. The resulting collapse of matter/energy ends up being at least the size of our own moon from something that had a diameter larger than our own solar system. These morons think they can generate that much energy with these pitiful tests...

B3bomber

Yup. That's pretty much how they decided to find out. I would have liked that particle accelerator being done. If it managed a large enough black hole we never would have known it even happened because it would have been over in less than an instant.

B3bomber

I think there was some fear of creating a black hole on Earth that got it shut down. Funny at some point scientists thought detonating nukes in high altitude near the poles would fuck the magnetic field of the planet into non existence. THEY STILL DID TEST IT ANYWAY.

So I don't think insanity was what got this one shelved.

Drenki

We definitely ain't in Kansas no more.

squidicuz

See: Steins;Gate . Just watch, no spoilers!

squidicuz

Needed specific computer to run cer tai n code...

ShowMeYourKitties

Yeah, different CPUs have different architechture. You cant compile for x86 and expect it to run on ARM

B3bomber

I remember reading those books. I also remember in the 1990s the hype around building that collider. From what I know of the canceled project, it was ~90% completed then abandoned.

PM_nudes_pls

particles dont have time, its not really an aspect of matter. time doesnt really work like that.

goatboy

Space has time. At some energy level space aquired time, probably at an energy level last seen during the big bang or at the 14 to 15 TeV level. SSC was supposed to go well over 20 TeV. LHC can only get to around 7 when really pushed.

PM_nudes_pls

what exactly are you basing this on? space and time are relative. an event that occurs at one point will distort that relative space time there, but not the entire universe.

B3bomber

I know I posted on another of your replies but time really does not exist. What we call time is merely measuring things against each other. Any belief in actual time is nothing more than an illusion. Memories are not part of time.

SrSysEng

So then distance doesn't exist? As it is a measurement between two things? Time does exist, it is expressed via the measurement between before, now, later; the same as any other measurement.

B3bomber

Distance is not time. The thing you refer to as time can be expressed in how many vibrations a hydrogen atom makes against a helium atom for all I care (or the vibrations per second, or per nano second, or per whatever else).

SrSysEng

True, but a measurement, none the less - Also, I edited the first post above during your reply - not intentional.

B3bomber

It really is going to be difficult to explain the thing you refer to as time. It literally does not exist. The thing you are calling time is always a measurement of something against something else.

All of it is pretty relative anyway since so much happens that is physically impossible for your own body to actually comprehend. Short version: what you see/touch/hear/smell/taste, is nothing more than a reflection.

SrSysEng

I see where your coming from; I was just arguing in the sense of - we can measure it, therefore it is real. As far as we 'know' the arrow of time cannot be reversed, slowed yes.. even stopped?

Reflection? Not sure about that, but I'd go with neuron/electron interactions with the .. matrix? for lack of a better word.

B3bomber

Reflection. Something had to run into something else to even set off that neurological response that lead to the perception of whatever it was. It is true we can measure something against something else but that definitely is not time. The thing being measured is the 1st one against whatever the 2nd one is. Measuring it against itself would not yield any useful result.

But time as the concept of something that can be traveled through simply does not exist. It's why a wormhole would work. It can't break rules that don't actually exist. The speed of light itself is also variable (notably for what it passes through and the energy of the photon itself determines how quickly it moves). I'd love to have a little chat about that with Albert Einstein since it isn't the speed of light he should have been writing about.

Mr_Wolf

have you heard about the Berinstein/Berinstain alternate world theory?

If not you might want to look into it, there's also other stuff that lots of people remember differently.

You might be on to something with the CERN and the collider having something to do with this whole mess.

Datagod

Sounds about right. Sounds right. Just about right.

varialus

I'm pretty sure in the original timeline Hillary was never Secretary of State nor a candidate for the President of the United States of America.

squidicuz

And the Saudi attack in 2001 never happens..

varialus

I think /u/goatboy is onto something. I don't know about you all, but our current timeline seem weirder than it should be. Pokemon Go, Arab Spring, failed coup, BLM, Trump, Hilary, SJW's, refugees, Snowden, NSA, Obama, Space X, Tesla, Tesla's Autopilot, Apple's comeback, Nintendo Wii, Facebook, Farmville, detection of planets outside our solar system, practically instantaneously reversal on societal views about homosexuality, rapid and drastic changes to race relations, improvement then sudden decline of Russia relations, 9/11, terrorism, the direction of the EU under the influence of Angela Merkel, drones, Dennis Rodman and Kim Jong Un, all female Ghostbusters, and I'm sure you can think of other bizarre developments over the past couple decades. If /u/goatboy is correct, then I hypothesize that the world will never "normalize" but rather the divergence will continue to accelerate making the world exceptionally off kilter, especially to those of us born before our timeline switched to the alternate timeline, but less so for those born after our timeline switched. Our current timeline is a bit weird, but not too bad so far, but if /u/goatboy is correct, then our reality may go further off the rails in directions that we are unable to rationally project. We didn't create the messed up youth, but their reality will increasingly take over and there's nothing we can do to resist the changes. We can teach our children the old ways of western philosophy and try to maintain pockets aligned to our original timeline, but if /u/goatboy is correct, it's going to be a losing battle no matter our efforts. We can resist if we want, but we need to come to terms with the new reality and try to make the most of this bizarre new reality in which we will find ourselves.

TreadCarefully

I believe we are 'on the fringes' of experience. Namely on the edge of probable realities which civilization can survive.

Like an experiment to breed mice to survive in the toughest environments.

Or punishment.

frankenmine

Deja vu happens to a lot of people. It probably has to do with the brain malfunctioning when processing certain kinds of input.

varialus

Certain kinds of temporal inputs, amirite?

frankenmine

Sensory inputs, especially things you haven't paid a lot of attention to in the past, such that you can't be sure if its latest state is the way it always was. Our memory is incomplete and imperfect during recall.

Tancred

How would you test your claim?

A simpler explanation for your confusion is just bad memory. Like the deja vu effect, where something recent got falsely stored in long term memory, making you think that what just happened also happened, exactly like that, a long time ago.

VoaterFraud

Occams Razor. The simplest answer usually turns out to be the right one. I find it funny that so many people find something different than they remember, then they blame it on a supercollider of all things. Human memory is very frail. Might as well blame thought vampires that come and steal or change your memories at night!

Tancred

It's an interesting phenomenon, that paranoid people see common misconceptions as almost a proof of external causes. I'm curious if it has a correlation with reduced empathy.

VoaterFraud

A few years ago when the Berenstain bears controversy came out I was shocked that folks didn't know or remember the right name of the authors. I remember reading those books to my daughter when she was young. (early 1990's) I definitely remember them as Berenstain because when I first looked at the title, I had to re-read it to make sure it was Berenstain. My confirmation bias wanted to read it as Berenstein. Fast forward to 2016... any memory problems people have are because of the LHC and the whole Earth/universe is in an Alternate Timeline? What happened to critical thinking?

Tancred

What happened to critical thinking?

Most people don't use it for a variety of reasons. It's not always inability or not knowing how to apply it. Sometimes it's just pain avoidance.

goatboy

Finish building the SSC and take it up past 18 TeV, but if I am right it might start producing time and anti-time particles.

Tancred

How would you know whether it produces these new particles?
What are their measurable properties?

goatboy

I have no idea. That information would have developed in a time stream and from 2 decades of observations and at energy levels that dont exist in this time.

Tancred

Ok so you have an untestable claim about supposed things which we know nothing about and your answer is that this information hasn't developed yet.

Do you see the issue with this?

goatboy

Untested and untestable aren't the same things.

Also, the phenomena that caused physicists to theorerize about tachyons and tachyon condensate need a better explanation. The data that created tachyon speculation are the next big physics mysteries after higgs bosons. The data that created that speculation needs a better explanation than faster than light or imaginary mass particles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

Tancred

You're just rationalizing at this point and you don't see the problem. I can't help you. Good luck.

varialus

Once you're far into the future to have proper perspective, you could look for whether there was a disproportionate shift in history at the specified time. It wouldn't necessarily prove anything, but it could provide a strong indication.

Tancred

How long is "far into the future" and when is your start point?
How do you define a "disproportionate shift in history"?

Once again, very very vague terms which a paranoid person can interpret however they want to justify their illness.

varialus

I dunno, I'd ask a historian who specializes in alternate timelines.

The better question is how interesting does a person have to be to be diagnosed with an illness that causes paranoia?

senpaithatignoresyou

I am not in an alternate time line. Any time line i am in, is the CORRECT timeline. All those other assholes are in alternate time lines.

I don't buy into the alternate time line crap. If it was real, the there would be "time refugees", people migrating out of their time lines to go into better time lines. There would probably also be things that lived between time lines.

varialus

It's attitudes like yours that got our Rick in deep with the Intergalactic Federation.

ShineShooter

The King of the north (and other Russians) are are only hope in the west.

k_digi

That's because you are in a new 'timeline'

It's a fact.

Grunge

I have to admit, after reading your post I checked my body to make sure the scars I have are still there. They are.

wolfsktaag

tactical time weapon

heard that phrase for the first time last night, when i started to stream 'terminator genesis'. canceled the stream 15 min in cuz of reasons. never heard that phrase anywhere else

Sciency

Alternate theory here: is it possible that the colliders are actually machines meant to generate a certain wavlength, meant to drive people crazy? There's been claims for a long time of government research facilities driving nearby downs mad with minor irritations, all in proximity to heavy broadcasting equipment.

Not meaning to call you crazy OP, I'm just not completely sold on the concept of quantum physics. If we shift through timelines at all, I can only conclude that we do it constantly, never in one place for more than a moment. Perhaps coliders are meant to isolate a timeline for a while, protecting it from crossover in the others?

goatboy

They have cell phones that people put right next to their brains and pay for themselves for that.

dingomeat

colliders are a lot of effort for something that would be easily accomplished by drugging the water supply

7even6ix2wo

This is the main timeline.

varialus

Maybe for you, SJW.

Consequence-Earned

I will look for that one. I off hand remember a mention of it but did not get to enjoy the story. Project SERPO was also suppose to be an Epic leak about an astronaut exchange program. Turned out fake but not a total loss as some truths about High-level disinformation practices were revealed.

Consequence-Earned

Dude that story kept me glued to the internet and sleepless. happy to be sleepless too because it was that fucking good. There is nothing i would love more than to start digging it up and weaving it into the time line of SSC just to have the excitement of the entire internet coming together intellectually to prove and debunk. Its so hard to come by these days.

Pawn

I mean if a package turns up in a specified location at a specified time, and I go and dig it up at a specified time then I guess it's ok.

Pawn

drinky drinky too muchy goat boy.

Consequence-Earned

The SSC program that I dont ever remember hearing about was closed in 1993 but conceptualized in 1976. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider . Who says in the original time line that it wasnt secretly seen to fruition. With that in mind; Do you remember the story of John Titor? What time did he say he needed to go back to for the computer and did he also not make a 2nd stop before joining us in 2000? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor Titor had been sent back to 1975

Vvswiftvv17

The link about John T. Was interesting. thanks for posting.

dv1155

Come join us at /v/mandelaeffect

dingomeat

The quality of submissions in that sub is really sub-par. Most of those things are irrelevant to the issue at hand.

dv1155

OK, then instead of complaining, upvoat the good submission, downvoat the bad, and submit some better content of your own.

goatboy

I don't know.

goatboy

I've seen some creepy shit, but this new scar on my face that I remember always having- this shit is creeping me the fuck out.

LetsBeNakedOutside

Hey, fuck these other assholes - I believe you.

Do you think that maybe you were having really strong deja vu, or do you think you were remembering something that was there while awake?

Look into lucid dreaming and astral projection(lemme know if you want me to find specific links or anything, I'm just being lazy cuz I'm on mobile) and see if that fits the bill.

Otherwise it could totally be another part of the Mandela effect.

I look forward to your reply!

goatboy

I think in every time line I have a similar narcissism and I would never forget a scar on the side of my head. It could be deja vu, but all I know is I always had this thing, I was always meant to have this thing. It is still in stitches, and even now I know exactly what it is going to look like months from now when it is finished healing, because I already spent so much time obsessing over it. How fucked up is that?

B3bomber

It is an alternate timeline. There's supposed to be scaffolding in orbit visible from the ground for constructing space ships. As for why the technological side is slower than it should be, I cannot answer that one.

So many different trials just to fulfill one person's request. It's fairly hard to keep things from going the way they were simply because so many force it to go that way. Killing them likely was the first outcome attempted and as this is still happening that must have failed as a desired outcome.

P.S. I hate that deja vu feeling as well. When I get it I KNOW something isn't going right.