Dysnomia

Fuck them.

crop_circle_jerk

Fuck them both. Fuck the "libertarian" candidate Gary Johnson too. What kind of libertarian supports TPP? Pathetic. Jill Stein might be the only sane choice but lets be real... she has no chance and I dont vote anyway. My theory is they're just trying to cause as much tension as humanly possible, taking two of the most polar opposite people to gauge the publics reaction to nationalism, socialism and globalism.

Sciency

Clinton is the choice of the ruling class. She is willing to do anything to get what she wants. Hillary is a career criminal, not unlike every president since JFK. She is reckless though, and her family has been really sloppy in dealing with threats to their power. Her support comes from two places: Gullible TV-watching imbeciles, and smart people who want their issues promoted at any moral cost. These two categories include a large part of the population, which is getting larger with every year thanks to propaganda and poor border control. Liberals would not stand a chance in hell if voting was limited to legal residents, as the law dictates.

Hillary Clinton scares the shit out of me. She stands a decent chance of winning due to her massive insider support, and electronic voting fraud. A victory for her means more of the same, which is about to land us in a war with russia (who should be our greatest ally).


Trump is a weird one. The whole establishment seemed completely unprepared to combat his arguments, and their old PC tactics have failed completely. They seem unable to corner him, because he does a great job of convincing people that he doesn't give two shits what people think of him. In this political climate, people desperately want a ego-driven candidate, because ego generally means a person wants to be remembered with a positive legacy. Trump has the money to finance his own campaign, and is perhaps less susceptible to the standard 100k-3M dollar bribes one usually sees in presidential politics.

Donald Trump also scares the shit out of me, but not in the same was as Clinton. I genuinely believe that he wants the best for this country, but its pretty unclear if he actually knows what is best. He would almost certainly excel at foreign relations. World leaders don't play by the softball PC rules that candidates do, and Trump has a proven history as a negotiator. Economically, I think hes as qualified as any other president has been, which isn't saying a lot. Presidents aren't supposed to create economic policy. I worry about Trump's social policies. His stance on privacy is not great, and he definitely seems to want prohibition to continue. Certain personal liberties will continue to be eroded under Trump, but only through his inaction. The same would go for either major candidate. Overall, I expect the country to more or less maintain its current course in a trump presidency.


Gary Johnson is probably the only other candidate worth going into. He is basically Bernie Sanders on social issues, and Ron Paul in the economic department. Outside of his political stances, I can't claim to know a lot about his background. He comes across as a far more normal person than the 2-party candidates.


TL;DR: Clinton is more dangerous than bipolar mob boss on crack. Trump is as untested as a pogo-stick on the moon. Gary Johnson is that other guy that you probably agree with the most, but you won't vote for because you practice tactical voting.

rhy

Which Israeli Rothschild employee is right for you?

VoatBeatsReddit

I will be voting for Gary Johnson. Can't say I trust Clinton or Trump. If you are a liberal I would suggest looking into voting for Jill Stein if you don't like Johnson for some reason.

rhy

Johnson supports tpp. As a libertarian, he is a terrible choice.

dildonkers

Trump is obviously despised by someone behind the curtain. Hillary is 1000% establishment chosen one, the most obvious chosen establishment candidate in history.

Either vote Trump or, if you dislike him, vote for a meme party like the Constitution Party. NOT the Lobertarians, who have been bought by Clinton.

toobaditworks

Vote Vermin Supreme?

Witchdoctor

Libertarians bought out by Clinton, please elaborate. I was planning on voting libertarian.

dildonkers

http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/there-is-no-logic-in-voting-for-gary-johnson/

Very deep analysis. Libertarians do NOT like him. He is a protest vote.

Sciency

There are a number of people who realize that on average, republican and libertarian voters cross over more than libertarian and democrat. Gary is polling quite well in utah, and actually posses a threat of taking all (6) of their electoral votes. States like utah are historically very supportive of republicans, so (R) candidates more or less take these states' votes as a given every year. Its quite possible that people don't want Gary to win these states, because its detracting from trump's "sure-thing" votes.

Personally I am of the opinion that people who "tactically vote" (chose the lesser of two evils, rather than make an honest choice) are the core problem in US politics. I'll take a risk of 4 years of hillary if it means chipping away at the 2-party system. How else are we ever supposed to get real change without tearing the country apart?

All that said, if there's evidence that the libertarian party (or Gary himself) has taken bribes from the competition, I want to know about that shit.

VoatBeatsReddit

The Libertarians have not been bought out by Clinton.

frankenham

Everybody for years on end: "Elections r rigged! The system is broketh both sides are controlled!"

Election season: "Trump gon make america great again! He gon build a wall!"

Krabba

Trump is just Scenario B, I doubt he is despised.

cotyledon

Choice among two is the least amount of choice possible, and brings to mind the manipulation known as the double bind . No presidential candidate gets far without conforming to underlying values. That Trump gets so much airtime is proof that his values do not threaten the actual rulers and actual policies of the nation.