Tallest_Skil

Reported for spam. It’s that simple. You were proven completely wrong and you continue to shill for your paid garbage. Reported for spam.

Sameblamegame

Look how pathetic your perception is. You think that anyone that disagrees with you is auto shilling?

How insecure. You refuse to accept that not everyone has to believe in people you've never met, throwing data in your face with an academic stamp of approval. Your data has no credibility.

I bet you cry over spilled milk.

Tallest_Skil

Cool story, bro. You’ve been proven wrong. Go fuck yourself with a rake. I’ll post it again so your feelings get even more hurt.

Land “readings” are diverging from satellite data (which NASA itself says is accurate and should be the standard instead) because over 40% of land “readings” are estimates made for places without recording equipment.

To illustratively do something that the psychopaths love to do, I’ll cherrypick the last 20 years to show that there has been no warming there , despite CO2 continuing to rise. Even using just the satellite record , the world isn’t warming. If we refer back to one of the hottest years in recorded history, we see the difference.

“Waaaaa! What about the ice caps!”

They’re not melting. They go through cycles . 1974 had less ice than today. Oh, and don’t listen to what scientists say, whatever you do . Nowhere is melting out of turn, not even Greenland (where it has been growing for something like 30 years).

“But the sea level is rising!”

It has been rising for 13,000 years. In that time, it has never risen more slowly than right now. Were our ancestors belching out CO2 faster than we were? Maybe they were farting a lot more. It’s rising more slowly than at any time in that history, and it’s also rising more slowly than any claim made public by any outlet. Here’s the source data for that chart. It’s an FTP link, so it should automatically download the raw file (which you don’t need to worry about; it’s a bunch of undifferentiated numbers). Turns out that NOAA marks the average as 0.63 mm per year. Not 3.3. Not 2.8. Certainly not a foot per year, which is needed for the most modern public “predictions” about this bullshit.

“But ocean acidity!”

Guess what? It’s also cyclical.

“Okay, not ice caps, but what about the glaciers?”

They’ve been melting since at least the 1780s when we started measuring them. I also have information for the Alps and other areas. Was our pre-industrial civilization responsible for “greenhouse gases” too?

“But but but but but but but but muh consensus! They agree! Because I say so! That makes what they say true!”

Sorry, there never was any consensus.

“Then why don’t climate change deniers publish papers?”

Because they do (and because papers often aren’t published because the publishing groups are owned by AGW liars).

Sameblamegame

Haha you're the one trying to prove something. Do you see me desperately citing? Do you see me name calling? Being 'correct' must REALLY mean a lot to you.

No, that's you. The one who thinks he's smart because he can read, copypasta, and suspend his disbelief.

What a skill you have. It's a wonder how your stomach can handle the bullshit.

Now go try to get a rise from a rock. You'd probably have better luck. Or not. You're pretty bad at appearing like you have any semblance of self control.

Tallest_Skil

Haha you’re the one trying to prove something.

Yes, that you’re wrong, which I’ve done.

Do you see me desperately citing?

You HAVE no proof for your claims.

You’re pretty bad at appearing like you have any semblance of self control.

You’re pretty bad at hiding your strawmen. Roast in hell, you scientific illiterate.

Sameblamegame

lol stroke that ego. Keep validating the scientific illiterate with your time and effort. It's funny to watch people squirm when you make fun of their faith based system of thought.

Tallest_Skil

Commit suicide, please.

Land “readings” are diverging from satellite data (which NASA itself says is accurate and should be the standard instead) because over 40% of land “readings” are estimates made for places without recording equipment.

To illustratively do something that the psychopaths love to do, I’ll cherrypick the last 20 years to show that there has been no warming there , despite CO2 continuing to rise. Even using just the satellite record , the world isn’t warming. If we refer back to one of the hottest years in recorded history, we see the difference.

“Waaaaa! What about the ice caps!”

They’re not melting. They go through cycles . 1974 had less ice than today. Oh, and don’t listen to what scientists say, whatever you do . Nowhere is melting out of turn, not even Greenland (where it has been growing for something like 30 years).

“But the sea level is rising!”

It has been rising for 13,000 years. In that time, it has never risen more slowly than right now. Were our ancestors belching out CO2 faster than we were? Maybe they were farting a lot more. It’s rising more slowly than at any time in that history, and it’s also rising more slowly than any claim made public by any outlet. Here’s the source data for that chart. It’s an FTP link, so it should automatically download the raw file (which you don’t need to worry about; it’s a bunch of undifferentiated numbers). Turns out that NOAA marks the average as 0.63 mm per year. Not 3.3. Not 2.8. Certainly not a foot per year, which is needed for the most modern public “predictions” about this bullshit.

“But ocean acidity!”

Guess what? It’s also cyclical.

“Okay, not ice caps, but what about the glaciers?”

They’ve been melting since at least the 1780s when we started measuring them. I also have information for the Alps and other areas. Was our pre-industrial civilization responsible for “greenhouse gases” too?

“But but but but but but but but muh consensus! They agree! Because I say so! That makes what they say true!”

Sorry, there never was any consensus.

“Then why don’t climate change deniers publish papers?”

Because they do (and because papers often aren’t published because the publishing groups are owned by AGW liars).

Sameblamegame

I can ignore you indefinitely. Look how much you care. Thanks so much for caring about me.

I was never making any of these arguments to begin with either, lol.

Do you have a pet rock? For how much you cite to yourself, it seems like a likelihood.

Tallest_Skil

I can ignore you indefinitely.

You sure can, as evidenced by the fact that you keep replying when you have been proven soundly wrong.

I was never making any of these arguments to begin with either, lol.

You did. That you’re too stupid to know you were making them only serves to accentuate your lack of accuracy.

Do you have a pet rock?

They gravel all over the carpet; more trouble than they’re worth.

For how much you cite to yourself

If that phrase actually meant anything, I’m sure you’d have the first argument so far in the discussion. As it stands, it doesn’t and you don’t.

Land “readings” are diverging from satellite data (which NASA itself says is accurate and should be the standard instead) because over 40% of land “readings” are estimates made for places without recording equipment.

To illustratively do something that the psychopaths love to do, I’ll cherrypick the last 20 years to show that there has been no warming there , despite CO2 continuing to rise. Even using just the satellite record , the world isn’t warming. If we refer back to one of the hottest years in recorded history, we see the difference.

“Waaaaa! What about the ice caps!”

They’re not melting. They go through cycles . 1974 had less ice than today. Oh, and don’t listen to what scientists say, whatever you do . Nowhere is melting out of turn, not even Greenland (where it has been growing for something like 30 years).

“But the sea level is rising!”

It has been rising for 13,000 years. In that time, it has never risen more slowly than right now. Were our ancestors belching out CO2 faster than we were? Maybe they were farting a lot more. It’s rising more slowly than at any time in that history, and it’s also rising more slowly than any claim made public by any outlet. Here’s the source data for that chart. It’s an FTP link, so it should automatically download the raw file (which you don’t need to worry about; it’s a bunch of undifferentiated numbers). Turns out that NOAA marks the average as 0.63 mm per year. Not 3.3. Not 2.8. Certainly not a foot per year, which is needed for the most modern public “predictions” about this bullshit.

“But ocean acidity!”

Guess what? It’s also cyclical.

“Okay, not ice caps, but what about the glaciers?”

They’ve been melting since at least the 1780s when we started measuring them. I also have information for the Alps and other areas. Was our pre-industrial civilization responsible for “greenhouse gases” too?

“But but but but but but but but muh consensus! They agree! Because I say so! That makes what they say true!”

Sorry, there never was any consensus.

“Then why don’t climate change deniers publish papers?”

Because they do (and because papers often aren’t published because the publishing groups are owned by AGW liars).

Sameblamegame

yawn

Tallest_Skil

;)

Land “readings” are diverging from satellite data (which NASA itself says is accurate and should be the standard instead) because over 40% of land “readings” are estimates made for places without recording equipment.

To illustratively do something that the psychopaths love to do, I’ll cherrypick the last 20 years to show that there has been no warming there , despite CO2 continuing to rise. Even using just the satellite record , the world isn’t warming. If we refer back to one of the hottest years in recorded history, we see the difference.

“Waaaaa! What about the ice caps!”

They’re not melting. They go through cycles . 1974 had less ice than today. Oh, and don’t listen to what scientists say, whatever you do . Nowhere is melting out of turn, not even Greenland (where it has been growing for something like 30 years).

“But the sea level is rising!”

It has been rising for 13,000 years. In that time, it has never risen more slowly than right now. Were our ancestors belching out CO2 faster than we were? Maybe they were farting a lot more. It’s rising more slowly than at any time in that history, and it’s also rising more slowly than any claim made public by any outlet. Here’s the source data for that chart. It’s an FTP link, so it should automatically download the raw file (which you don’t need to worry about; it’s a bunch of undifferentiated numbers). Turns out that NOAA marks the average as 0.63 mm per year. Not 3.3. Not 2.8. Certainly not a foot per year, which is needed for the most modern public “predictions” about this bullshit.

“But ocean acidity!”

Guess what? It’s also cyclical.

“Okay, not ice caps, but what about the glaciers?”

They’ve been melting since at least the 1780s when we started measuring them. I also have information for the Alps and other areas. Was our pre-industrial civilization responsible for “greenhouse gases” too?

“But but but but but but but but muh consensus! They agree! Because I say so! That makes what they say true!”

Sorry, there never was any consensus.

“Then why don’t climate change deniers publish papers?”

Because they do (and because papers often aren’t published because the publishing groups are owned by AGW liars).

Sameblamegame

Proving something isn't anything you're capable of.

You don't dictate anything. Your disagreement is spam, because that's all it is. You simply don't like my opinion. Get over it. You're not an authority on anything but your own skin for the short time you are alive.

You live, you swallow what bullshit you're told to, you use your labor to make others richer than you'll ever be, and then you die.

That is the only truth in your life.

I could report you for spam. But I can't give that many fucks given the two dimensional way you were programmed to think forces me to pity you.

Tallest_Skil

Cool story, bro. You’ve been proven wrong. Go fuck yourself with a rake.

Tallest_Skil

Didn’t read that either.

Reported for spam, then.

My experience with the huge bodies of fresh water that my family has resided by for generations contradicts your citations.

Your experience is wrong, as proven by all data.

People who like to cite the most typically find themselves further from the truth.

Enjoy being wrong.

Experience the world with your body

Go fuck yourself and look at the data.

You don’t care about the truth, you care about being right.

Said the retard who thinks that anecdotes beat fact. Go fuck yourself.

ezralv

He can't keep getting away with it!

EarlPoncho

nah there's thousands of years of oil reserves left. i agree with you on nuclear but because of heroes like jane fonda it will never see the light of day. fossil fuels aren't inefficient and have only showed a positive effect on the environment.

Amateur_Wizard

Lol.

Remember "peak oil?"

Oil is constantly being made. Certain areas might run out, but they will slowly be replaced.

UncontrollableSphere

Lots of those jobs will be offset with new jobs in renewables. But yeah. Jobs are going to start dropping like flies in the next twenty years. We have to start sharing the benefits of automation so that the answer to "What am I gonna do when I lose my job!?" becomes "Enjoy your free time."

Tallest_Skil

Stop believing in the automation lie before it’s too late.

UncontrollableSphere

I believe it'll happen eventually. For sure. There's no stopping it.

I'm not nearly convinced it'll be a good thing. I think it could be an amazing thing. The best thing to ever happen to our species. But more realistically, I'm afraid it's going to be the worst thing.

Sciency

Sounds a lot like you're trying to play the "lesser of two evils" card. Thats the mindset that landed the modern world in perpetual war. Soros may or may not be worse than the kochs, but theres no reason we cant hate them all equally.

Sameblamegame

Climate damage is still real. Keep downvoating without responding. I'm from the great lakes region and it used to be in winter you could drive a truck across the ice all winter long. To ice fish, to get to the islands, whatever. You can't do any of that for even one month anymore.

You're just a bunch of children butt hurt over the details. Of course we were lied to about climate change, it's deliberate. Climate change is deliberate. They don't want us knowing the real causes. That's why we only ever talk about carbon when it isn't even the leading problematic element in the equation.

Stop being mad that you're all too poor and stupid to be given the truth and look around and find it yourself.

There is tall damage, but it is calculated and deliberate. Giving a fuck about what comes out of the mouths of puppets is still giving a fuck about something they want us to pay attention to.

Pay attention to real details, not the obviously fake ones that you can jerk off to for being smart enough to tell they're fake.

Tallest_Skil

Climate damage is still real.

Reported for paid shilling.

1) Demonstrate “climate change” is real.

No problem there! There is plenty of geological evidence that the Earth has been much warmer for most of its existence. The Jurassic period, for example, was quite a bit warmer than today. In fact, there have only been a few colder times in Earth’s history compared to today. And ‘climate’, in the strictest sense, changes daily.

2) Demonstrate that “climate change” is manmade.

This is tougher, since we already know for a fact that the Earth has been through far warmer periods before man ever showed up. Indeed, evidence is mounting that an increase in CO2 is causing less extreme weather, not more.

3) Demonstrate that any changes, regardless of origin, happening now are man-reversible.

Good luck with that.

4) Demonstrate that they can be reversed, primarily, by crippling the American economy in particular, while nations like China and India continue polluting the planet at record rates.

And that’s where you lose your audience.

Sameblamegame

My experience with the great lakes in my life time.

Yeah, the great lakes used to freeze for the whole winter and people drove across them in trucks...

It's been dacades since that happened. People around here used to ice fish. They don't anymore.

I used to be bitten by insects when I walked through wooded and wet areas, I don't anymore.

I used to see white all winter long, and now I'm lucky to see it for a week at a time.

How many large bodies of matter do I have to notice a difference in before your demands look shallow and irrelevant?

My proof is years of experience and the years of my families experience in nature, through generations.

Your disbelief is just convenient to your distaste for the people using climate change as a political tool.

Edit: I'm not here to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, no one can actually do that. I'm simply sharing my experience. My observations are q peice of the puzzle, Not a complete explanation. I don't have that kind of experience yet. But evidently you have enough to insist that I need to meet your demands for my observations to be accurate. They are just the world from where I'm standing, and from here, things are notably more mild all around.

Tallest_Skil

All I’m saying is that your anecdotes are not proof and are disproven by the actual measurements.

Sameblamegame

That's all good and dandy. I'm not really arguing for global warming. I'm arguing for deliberate climate change.

That's just my hunch. The fact that there is so much disagreement and disinformation implies, heavy handedly, that climate change has only to do with the simple and two dimensional concept of heating and cooling...

They can argue global warming because it's generally true over time. But it isn't what is causing what we're seeing.

They are distracting from something climate based, not only pushing a false narrative. From what? When there is no change in climate for most people it covers their lie, when there IS climate change they can pull out their false narrative, and continue to cover their lie while simultaneously pulling some shady shit.

I'm not going to jump on any band wagon view on these stances people like to take. This is what I think. I don't care much about your slightly bigger measuring stick in your 'measurements' that you'd like to site. Do your measurements read the room? Do they see body language, and convenience of the narrative pushers?

Keep denying climate change. That works to the convenience of the liars in question here. Unless you want to assume that politicians are bringing up the topic of climate change just to lie to us for no reason.

There's more here than just shallow political maneuvers. They can lie about anything to do that, why global warming?

Sorry for the ramblerant, and thanks for the responses. I know this is all half baked. Not enough data all around. Just some of the things I've mulled over in repetition.

Tallest_Skil

That's all good and dandy. I'm not really arguing for global warming. I’m arguing for deliberate climate change.

You’re literally talking about the same thing. Read 1984. Leftists use whatever words work for them in the moment.

I don't care much about your slightly bigger measuring stick in your 'measurements' that you'd like to site. Do your measurements read the room? Do they see body language, and convenience of the narrative pushers?

None of that matters. My measurements are fact.

Keep denying climate change. That works to the convenience of the liars in question here.

Uh, no, it works to the exact opposite effect.

Unless you want to assume that politicians are bringing up the topic of climate change just to lie to us for no reason.

And no, that’s not what anyone stated. In fact, it’s explicitly the opposite of what I proved.

There's more here than just shallow political maneuvers. They can lie about anything to do that, why global warming?

To destroy Western civilization and ONLY Western civilization .

Sameblamegame

Your measurements are arbitrary by nature compared to you actually knowing, and having felt something with your own body.

Your facts require faith in people you've never met.

Tallest_Skil

Completely false. Read the fucking data.

EIMR

...Then what are the real causes?

Tallest_Skil

There are none. Report the paid shill.

Sameblamegame

Does one need to see gravity to know it is there? If it was obvious we wouldn't be talking about nonsense.

One other big bad element in the equation is methane. Which no one discusses in length despite it being far more dense and prevalent in our industries.

I obviously don't have all the answers, but it doesn't take peer reviewed research to make a simple and obvious observation over your life time.

I have a theory that the heat up is deliberate to unlock the resources under the poles. Thus the half assed effort at preventing the third most problematic element from being too prevalent(carbon).

A great way to access new land, and simultaneously have a great excuse to 'accidentally' have a good chunk of the obsolete masses die off as the worlds oceans rise and change the livable landscape for humans.

Tallest_Skil

Does one need to see gravity to know it is there?

Thanks for confirming you have absolutely no argument whatsoever.

If it was obvious we wouldn’t be talking about nonsense.

Nonsense like AGW, right. Which isn’t happening.

One other big bad element in the equation is methane. Which no one discusses

Because they know it has nothing to do with the discussion.

I obviously don’t have all the answers

You don’t have any of them.

but it doesn’t take peer reviewed research

Good, because peer review has been proven to be false.

a simple and obvious observation over your life time.

Anecdotal evidence is not admissible. Thanks for confirming you know nothing.

I have a theory that the heat up is deliberate

It’s not heating up.

A great way to access new land

There is no land at the North Pole and the melted glaciers would get rid of land everywhere else.

Your theory, just like AGW, is utter shit.

Sameblamegame

You basically said nothing. Maybe make a point that doesn't require you to pick apart my statements individually.

Individually those sentences are weak. But the body of their meaning is avoided when you copy and paste like you're proud to have just graduated kindergarten.

I'm speaking from my experience in living next to the biggest bodies of fresh water in the world. So excuse me for simply putting my observations out there.

In living next to very large swamp, and great lakes regions, I grew up being bitten, by insects and frost, like my parents, and theirs before them. That has gone away. It doesn't get cold enough to drive a truck across the lakes anymore. There are less insects, and the ones that remain seem lethargic and slow in comparison to their ancestors.

Again, How many huge bodies of matter do I have to notice change in before you can get over the fact that climate change has been politicized. Something being a political tool does not make that something imaginary.

I can have a theory and it be wrong, it literally is just another opportunity to learn. But I'm sure you've looked under the glaciers and seen for yourself.

I have the proof that I have. My observations are one piece of a puzzle. You can ignore that, since it would be easier for your world view, or you can take it for what it is; my and my families experience living next to a once a very robust seasonal area, that is suddenly not very robust.

Jesus man. Grow up.

Tallest_Skil

You basically said nothing.

Which is more than you did.

Maybe make a point that doesn’t require you to pick apart my statements individually.

Maybe make a point that doesn’t have EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY be WRONG, then.

But the body of their meaning is avoided

Directly addressed in every way, shape, and form. There is no AGW, regardless of your delusions.

I’m speaking from my experience

Your anecdote is meaningless.

So excuse me for simply putting my observations out there.

You’re excused. Anecdotes are not science.

It doesn’t get cold enough to drive a truck across the lakes anymore.

Bullshit, as proven by the ice recordings every single winter.

Again, How many huge bodies of matter do I have to notice change in before you can get over the fact that climate change has been politicized.

None, because your anecdote is irrelevant to the fact that the politics don’t matter. AGW is not happening.

I can have a theory and it be wrong, it literally is just another opportunity to learn.

Good for you. At least you’re not blinded.

But I’m sure you’ve looked under the glaciers and seen for yourself.

Can’t get under them; too much ice.

I have the proof that I have.

You don’t have any proof. Anecdotes are not admissible.

Jesus man. Grow up.

Fuck, man, LEARN HOW TO COUNT. It’s getting colder, not warmer.

Sameblamegame

Didn't even read that. I'm keep replying if making yourself feel smart helps you.

Tallest_Skil

Get fucked, you worthless sack of shit. You have no argument.

Land “readings” are diverging from satellite data (which NASA itself says is accurate and should be the standard instead) because over 40% of land “readings” are estimates made for places without recording equipment.

To illustratively do something that the psychopaths love to do, I’ll cherrypick the last 20 years to show that there has been no warming there , despite CO2 continuing to rise. Even using just the satellite record , the world isn’t warming. If we refer back to one of the hottest years in recorded history, we see the difference.

“Waaaaa! What about the ice caps!”

They’re not melting. They go through cycles . 1974 had less ice than today. Oh, and don’t listen to what scientists say, whatever you do . Nowhere is melting out of turn, not even Greenland (where it has been growing for something like 30 years).

“But the sea level is rising!”

It has been rising for 13,000 years. In that time, it has never risen more slowly than right now. Were our ancestors belching out CO2 faster than we were? Maybe they were farting a lot more. Or maybe you just believe in complete bullshit. It’s rising more slowly than at any time in that history, and it’s also rising more slowly than any claim made public by any outlet. Here’s the source data for that chart. It’s an FTP link, so it should automatically download the raw file (which you don’t need to worry about; it’s a bunch of undifferentiated numbers). Turns out that NOAA marks the average as 0.63 mm per year. Not 3.3. Not 2.8. Certainly not a foot per year, which is needed for the most modern public “predictions” about this bullshit.

“But ocean acidity!”

Guess what? It’s also cyclical.

“Okay, not ice caps, but what about the glaciers?”

They’ve been melting since at least the 1780s when we started measuring them. I also have information for the Alps and other areas. Was our pre-industrial civilization responsible for “greenhouse gases” too?

“But but but but but but but but muh consensus! They agree! Because I say so! That makes what they say true!”

Sorry, there never was any consensus.

“Then why don’t climate change deniers publish papers?”

Because they do (and because papers often aren’t published because the publishing groups are owned by AGW liars).

ISlooshyYou

Hey! You can't talk about a Nobel prize winner like that!

He and Obama worked very, very hard to earn their Nobel peace prizes. If Al Gore didn't make that video the earth wouldn't even be here right now. Because of his video, the planet is saved from global warming. He also gave us the internet.

Just in case there’s even a smidgen of doubt; /sssssssssssssssssssssssss

TheDude2

At least soros and the koch brothers hate Trump.

TheDude2

Things like this make me question the entire movement.

Tallest_Skil

Not the fact that every single thing the movement has ever said has been scientifically disproven?

Not the fact that the creators of the movement have been caught fabricating data?

Not the fact that the same creators have said the movement has fuck all to do with the climate and everything to do with the economic control and destruction of the Western world?

Just this? Geez.

UncontrollableSphere

Wait, aren't you already against it? This comment makes it sound like up until now you've believed AGW, when your comment history is full of you saying it's stupid.

TheDude2

Against the extremists? Sure. Doesn't mean I don't agree with some of it. It is not an all or nothing thing.

UncontrollableSphere

Fair enough.

EarlPoncho

it's for population control. fossil fuels are incredibly safe and the best form of energy we have. if we cut them off tomorrow billions of people would die in months. you should read the moral case for fossil fuels

EIMR

...If we instantly cut off our main energy source without any replacements, then it is probable that many will die. But nobody is going to do that. You can make energy more expensive I suppose, but you aren't going to kill anyone.

EarlPoncho

there's already tons of people dying in shit hole countries because of a lack of proper energy

Sameblamegame

Bullshit policies or not, there are environmental issues at hand. The weather is notably milder, consistently from my child hood. The insects are fewer and less viral.

We are damaging our environment. What we want to call it doesn't change that.

THEZOG

Soros us just the old guy they're putting all the blame on. Just like how the mafia does it.

8_billion_eaters

Al Gore sucks Soro's cock.

edistojim

Well, he is called "Al Gore the Climate Whore." I guess the name does fit.

pitenius

Bu-, bu-, but... what about his boat? What about the BS 1?