Is there not some refractory effect through our atmosphere that makes it possible to see the moon or the sun after it has truthfully gone below the horizon? Like a straw in water giving a false representation of your straw in the water. Doesnt our atmosphere also create a similar effect. Flat earth deniers? First i have heard of that. Bet the flat earth believers are the same people as that redditispropagand31 user, believing we didnt land on the moon. ID10t's