antiracistNew

It doesn't matter if math axioms come from science and philosophy. Computing the number of sudoku grids is a mathematical endeavor, not an empirical one.

The term giant in giant squid distinguishes the species. Like sweet potato is not merely a potato that is sweet. Bigfoot likewise refers to an alleged species. The words giant and big are qualitative, not quantitative.

Even if there were no physical universe, mathematical truths would still be true.

Empiricism relies on sense data. Science relies on repeated experimentation. The latter is a newer invention than the former.

Pattern recognition is inductive. Mathematics is deductive.

Math is not found in qualia.

Taxonomy is not arbitrary.

Irrational numbers are called so because they can't be represented as a ratio of two integers.

Deterministic refers to a system being able to transition to precisely one future possible state. Rational refers to honoring the guidelines of decision theory.

If there is no such thing as irrationality, the words rational and irrational are useless.

Schizophrenics behave irrationally.

You are assuming the mind is a biological or physical computer. Minds are determinate and physical systems are not.

Heisenberg's result applies to quantum mechanics. Conclusions about rationality and sentience cannot be inferred.

antiracistNew

Math is rational. Science is empirical.

Interesting hypotheses. Can you prove it?

Okay. The number of sudoku grids is a mathematical, not a scientific result. The existence of a giant squid is a scientific, not a mathematical result.

Math was once intuitive, such as dividing in half a mound of items with an eyeball measurement,

Okay, and that was a mistake which was corrected.

and empiricism was added to science long after science was created.

No, empiricism existed before science.

Math doesn't have to represent or be derived from physics.

You literally can not formulate mathematics without a physical form.

So what? That's like saying you need to breathe oxygen while doing math. Oxygen, nevertheless, is irrelevant to 1+1=2.

We can make a math that's different than physics

We can imagine a world unlike our own, but we do so from within this world. We can make a system that does not describe physics but to do so requires physical interaction.

Okay. So what? We exist in this world. That unifying fact doesn't make the fields the same. Cooking and producing pornography both require existence in this world, but they're separate enterprises.

That investigation is not a rational one, not an experimental one.

Yesterday I created the next iteration of a batch of artificial intelligences who exist in a simulated world based on physical laws that don't reflect my physical world. My investigation was purely rational as I'm testing the impact of physical language formation.

I admit things get blurry here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-empiricism_in_mathematics

When I talk about math and physics being distinct, I'm not making an advanced argument. I'm making a basic argument to correct the thinking of those who, for example, justify 1+1=2 on the basis of having one orange and another orange and putting them near each other and observing there are two oranges.

One can not, by definition, irrationally create any form of mathematics.

Well, there are irrational numbers.

One can not irrationally investigate.

Well, there's fuzzy logic and paraconsistent logic.

Even the intuitive process is based on rational processes that the meta-mind of evolution and instinct has tested as better than not over millions of iterations.

Why not call this emotional? How is irrational behavior possible?

When we reason about frictionless surfaces, we do not actually build them physically to see if our mathematical predictions check out.

When you create a system for computing the interaction of frictionless surfaces that system itself is real, and you can only test your mathematical predictions because this is true.

It's real as a mental model, not real as something implemented physically or on a computer. For example, take the number of atoms in the universe. Imagine a universe with that many dominoes lined up. Knock over the first. The last one eventually falls. This is a rational result. It wasn't built physically or implemented in a computer simulation.

antiracistNew

Math is rational. Science is empirical. Math doesn't have to represent or be derived from physics. There is the math belonging to Newtonian physics, and the math belonging to Einsteinian physics. There's Euclidean geometry and non-Euclidean geometry. We can make a math that's different than physics simply by taking some physical law and changing it or breaking it and then investigating what happens. That investigation is a rational one, not an experimental one. When we reason about frictionless surfaces, we do not actually build them physically to see if our mathematical predictions check out. We can use our imagination to imagine worlds very different than our own.

antiracistNew

Clear distinction made by Khayyám, on the basis of the work of earlier Persian philosophers such as Avicenna, between natural bodies and mathematical bodies. The first is defined as a body that is in the category of substance and that stands by itself, and hence a subject of natural sciences, while the second, called "volume", is of the category of accidents (attributes) that do not subsist by themselves in the external world and hence is the concern of mathematics. Khayyám was very careful to respect the boundaries of each discipline, and criticized Ibn al-Haytham in his proof of the parallel postulate precisely because he had broken this rule and had brought a subject belonging to natural philosophy, that is, motion, which belongs to natural bodies, into the domain of geometry, which deals with mathematical bodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam#Mathematical_philosophy

Sciency

when I get home in 16 hours

Don't you mean 17.28 hours? Jk, of course. I enjoyed your thoughts. As other users have said, this sounds a lot like base-12 math. I am not great at institutional math, though I enjoy the abstract thinking theoretical math requires. It does not sound absurd to me that our use of base-10 math might detract from a deeper understanding of the universe. I've always heard that we use base-10 for no other reason than the number of digits on our hands. If this is true, what are the chances that 10 is the most efficient? Low, if you ask me.

If I've decided one thing about my reality, its the fractal nature of all things. Due to this, I seem to put weight in base-8, as 8 is a power of 2. Base-16 would potentially satisfy my theory, but I have no idea if there is a practical use for base-16 (or any other base number system for that matter).

I'm more of science guy than I am hard math, but interesting stuff nonetheless.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Prime numbers all end in 1 5 7 or 11 in a base-12 math. I have reasons for doing base 12 I just couldn't write them, stay tuned for tomorrow.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

ya where do u see that to describe how to get any prime number? hidden. in. plain. sight.

antiracistNew

How come everything you say is incomprehensible?

Can you, on the left hand side of a parenthesis, write the base 10 number, and on the right hand side write that number in your notation. I don't know what you're trying to claim about prime numbers.

So go ahead and fill this in for me.

0)

1)

2)

3)

4)

5)

6)

7)

8)

9)

10)

11)

12)

13)

14)

15)

16)

17)

18)

19)

20)

21)

22)

23)

That should be enough.

Cannavore

Not OP, but I'll take a crack at it.

1) 1

2) 2

3) 3

4) 4

5) 5

6) 6

7) 7

8) 8

9) 9

10) A

11) B

12) 10

13) 11

14) 12

15) 13

16) 14

17) 15

18) 16

19) 17

20) 18

21) 19

22) 1A

23) 1B

24) 20

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

0) 0

1) 1

2) 2

3) 3

4) 4

5) 5

6) 6

7) 7

8) 8

9) 9

10) X

11) Y

12) 10

13) 11

14) 12

15) 13

16) 14

17) 15

18) 16

19) 17

20) 18

21) 19

22) 1X

23) 1Y

24) 20

25) 21

33) 29

34) 2X

35) 2Y

36) 30

antiracistNew

Great. That's base 12. What does this reveal about prime numbers?

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

All prime numbers using that method would end in 1 5 7 or Y, without exception. No numbers would end in 2 3 4 6 8 9 or 10. Using the other number system they are jumbled and random.

antiracistNew

All primes greater than 5, in base 10, end with 1, 3, 7, or 9 without exception.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173 179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281 283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461 463 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 521 523 541

Paging /u/scandalous-goat /

YO CHECK THIS OUT BROTHER.

Change each of those numbers as if they were like I am saying single digits, then check em out. Each of all those prime numbers would end in 1, 5, 7 and 11.

TALK ABOUT MAGIC NUMBERS BITCHES.

See I'm a magical man who just gets answers straight from the wind baby.

AKa each prime number is

12(X) + 1

12(X) + 5

12(X) + 7

12(X) + 11

bless

antiracistNew

AKa each prime number is

12(X) + 1

12(X) + 5

12(X) + 7

12(X) + 11

What are you trying to say here?

Why did you skip adding 2 and 3?

Can you write that with the X's filled in?

scandalous-goat

Here's your list of primes converted to base 12.

2 3 5 7 b 11 15 17 1b 25 27 31 35 37 3b 45 4b 51 57 5b 61 67 6b 75 81 85 87 8b 91 95 a7 ab b5 b7 105 107 111 117 11b 125 12b 131 13b 141 145 147 157 167 16b 171 175 17b 181 18b 195 19b 1a5 1a7 1b1 1b5 1b7 205 217 21b 221 225 237 241 24b 251 255 25b 267 271 277 27b 285 291 295 2a1 2ab 2b1 2bb 301 307 30b 315 321 325 327 32b 33b 347 34b 357 35b 365 375 377 391

Interesting, indeed.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Try it to 16 instead of 12. I have a feeling.

scandalous-goat

Here's the first 1000 primes in hexadecimal:

2 3 5 7 b d 11 13 17 1d 1f 25 29 2b 2f 35 3b 3d 43 47 49 4f 53 59 61 65 67 6b 6d 71 7f 83 89 8b 95 97 9d a3 a7 ad b3 b5 bf c1 c5 c7 d3 df e3 e5 e9 ef f1 fb 101 107 10d 10f 115 119 11b 125 133 137 139 13d 14b 151 15b 15d 161 167 16f 175 17b 17f 185 18d 191 199 1a3 1a5 1af 1b1 1b7 1bb 1c1 1c9 1cd 1cf 1d3 1df 1e7 1eb 1f3 1f7 1fd 209 20b 21d 223 22d 233 239 23b 241 24b 251 257 259 25f 265 269 26b 277 281 283 287 28d 293 295 2a1 2a5 2ab 2b3 2bd 2c5 2cf 2d7 2dd 2e3 2e7 2ef 2f5 2f9 301 305 313 31d 329 32b 335 337 33b 33d 347 355 359 35b 35f 36d 371 373 377 38b 38f 397 3a1 3a9 3ad 3b3 3b9 3c7 3cb 3d1 3d7 3df 3e5 3f1 3f5 3fb 3fd 407 409 40f 419 41b 425 427 42d 43f 443 445 449 44f 455 45d 463 469 47f 481 48b 493 49d 4a3 4a9 4b1 4bd 4c1 4c7 4cd 4cf 4d5 4e1 4eb 4fd 4ff 503 509 50b 511 515 517 51b 527 529 52f 551 557 55d 565 577 581 58f 593 595 599 59f 5a7 5ab 5ad 5b3 5bf 5c9 5cb 5cf 5d1 5d5 5db 5e7 5f3 5fb 607 60d 611 617 61f 623 62b 62f 63d 641 647 649 64d 653 655 65b 665 679 67f 683 685 69d 6a1 6a3 6ad 6b9 6bb 6c5 6cd 6d3 6d9 6df 6f1 6f7 6fb 6fd 709 713 71f 727 737 745 74b 74f 751 755 757 761 76d 773 779 78b 78d 79d 79f 7b5 7bb 7c3 7c9 7cd 7cf 7d3 7db 7e1 7eb 7ed 7f7 805 80f 815 821 823 827 829 833 83f 841 851 853 859 85d 85f 869 871 883 89b 89f 8a5 8ad 8bd 8bf 8c3 8cb 8db 8dd 8e1 8e9 8ef 8f5 8f9 905 907 91d 923 925 92b 92f 935 943 949 94d 94f 955 959 95f 96b 971 977 985 989 98f 99b 9a3 9a9 9ad 9c7 9d9 9e3 9eb 9ef 9f5 9f7 9fd a13 a1f a21 a31 a39 a3d a49 a57 a61 a63 a67 a6f a75 a7b a7f a81 a85 a8b a93 a97 a99 a9f aa9 aab ab5 abd ac1 acf ad9 ae5 ae7 aed af1 af3 b03 b11 b15 b1b b23 b29 b2d b3f b47 b51 b57 b5d b65 b6f b7b b89 b8d b93 b99 b9b bb7 bb9 bc3 bcb bcf bdd be1 be9 bf5 bfb c07 c0b c11 c25 c2f c31 c41 c5b c5f c61 c6d c73 c77 c83 c89 c91 c95 c9d cb3 cb5 cb9 cbb cc7 ce3 ce5 ceb cf1 cf7 cfb d01 d03 d0f d13 d1f d21 d2b d2d d3d d3f d4f d55 d69 d79 d81 d85 d87 d8b d8d da3 dab db7 dbd dc7 dc9 dcd dd3 dd5 ddb de5 de7 df3 dfd dff e09 e17 e1d e21 e27 e2f e35 e3b e4b e57 e59 e5d e6b e71 e75 e7d e87 e8f e95 e9b eb1 eb7 eb9 ec3 ed1 ed5 edb eed eef ef9 f07 f0b f0d f17 f25 f29 f31 f43 f47 f4d f4f f53 f59 f5b f67 f6b f7f f95 fa1 fa3 fa7 fad fb3 fb5 fbb fd1 fd3 fd9 fe9 fef ffb ffd 1003 100f 101f 1021 1025 102b 1039 103d 103f 1051 1069 1073 1079 107b 1085 1087 1091 1093 109d 10a3 10a5 10af 10b1 10bb 10c1 10c9 10e7 10f1 10f3 10fd 1105 110b 1115 1127 112d 1139 1145 1147 1159 115f 1163 1169 116f 1181 1183 118d 119b 11a1 11a5 11a7 11ab 11c3 11c5 11d1 11d7 11e7 11ef 11f5 11fb 120d 121d 121f 1223 1229 122b 1231 1237 1241 1247 1253 125f 1271 1273 1279 127d 128f 1297 12af 12b3 12b5 12b9 12bf 12c1 12cd 12d1 12df 12fd 1307 130d 1319 1327 132d 1337 1343 1345 1349 134f 1357 135d 1367 1369 136d 137b 1381 1387 138b 1391 1393 139d 139f 13af 13bb 13c3 13d5 13d9 13df 13eb 13ed 13f3 13f9 13ff 141b 1421 142f 1433 143b 1445 144d 1459 146b 146f 1471 1475 148d 1499 149f 14a1 14b1 14b7 14bd 14cb 14d5 14e3 14e7 1505 150b 1511 1517 151f 1525 1529 152b 1537 153d 1541 1543 1549 155f 1565 1567 156b 157d 157f 1583 158f 1591 1597 159b 15b5 15bb 15c1 15c5 15cd 15d7 15f7 1607 1609 160f 1613 1615 1619 161b 1625 1633 1639 163d 1645 164f 1655 1669 166d 166f 1675 1693 1697 169f 16a9 16af 16b5 16bd 16c3 16cf 16d3 16d9 16db 16e1 16e5 16eb 16ed 16f7 16f9 1709 170f 1723 1727 1733 1741 175d 1763 1777 177b 178d 1795 179b 179f 17a5 17b3 17b9 17bf 17c9 17cb 17d5 17e1 17e9 17f3 17f5 17ff 1807 1813 181d 1835 1837 183b 1843 1849 184d 1855 1867 1871 1877 187d 187f 1885 188f 189b 189d 18a7 18ad 18b3 18b9 18c1 18c7 18d1 18d7 18d9 18df 18e5 18eb 18f5 18fd 1915 191b 1931 1933 1945 1949 1951 195b 1979 1981 1993 1997 1999 19a3 19a9 19ab 19b1 19b5 19c7 19cf 19db 19ed 19fd 1a03 1a05 1a11 1a17 1a21 1a23 1a2d 1a2f 1a35 1a3f 1a4d 1a51 1a69 1a6b 1a7b 1a7d 1a87 1a89 1a93 1aa7 1aab 1aad 1ab1 1ab9 1ac9 1acf 1ad5 1ad7 1ae3 1af3 1afb 1aff 1b05 1b23 1b25 1b2f 1b31 1b37 1b3b 1b41 1b47 1b4f 1b55 1b59 1b65 1b6b 1b73 1b7f 1b83 1b91 1b9d 1ba7 1bbf 1bc5 1bd1 1bd7 1bd9 1bef 1bf7 1c09 1c13 1c19 1c27 1c2b 1c2d 1c33 1c3d 1c45 1c4b 1c4f 1c55 1c73 1c81 1c8b 1c8d 1c99 1ca3 1ca5 1cb5 1cb7 1cc9 1ce1 1cf3 1cf9 1d09 1d1b 1d21 1d23 1d35 1d39 1d3f 1d41 1d4b 1d53 1d5d 1d63 1d69 1d71 1d75 1d7b 1d7d 1d87 1d89 1d95 1d99 1d9f 1da5 1da7 1db3 1db7 1dc5 1dd7 1ddb 1de1 1df5 1df9 1e01 1e07 1e0b 1e13 1e17 1e25 1e2b 1e2f 1e3d 1e49 1e4d 1e4f 1e6d 1e71 1e89 1e8f 1e95 1ea1 1ead 1ebb 1ec1 1ec5 1ec7 1ecb 1edd 1ee3 1eef

Every odd digits are found in this list.

digit occurrence
1 118
2 1
3 126
5 130
7 127
9 123
b 126
d 124
f 125

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

how about trying it only 3 digits or 6 digits? I just tried 6 digits and it basically just takes our 12 theory and shortens it to 1 and 5. I am thinking there are pros and cons to each way of doing it but I assume adding digits is more beneficial because they wouldn't make it as easy as counting time.

scandalous-goat

base 6:

digit occurrences
1 490
2 1
3 1
5 508

base 3:

digit occurrences
0 1
1 490
2 509

antiracistNew

Now try binary.

scandalous-goat

❤️

This one is obvious:

digit occurrences
0 1
1 999

antiracistNew

Better test up to 100 billion to see if the pattern holds.

antiracistNew

That's called hexadecimal. It's well-studied.

antiracistNew

Why is this interesting?

scandalous-goat

The base 10 primes, in base 12 all end in 1, 5, 7 or b (11), without exception.

antiracistNew

Yeah, and the primes in base 10 all end in what without exception, (except for 2 and 5)?

They can't end in 0, 2, 4, 6, or 8.

That leaves 1, 3, 5, 7, 9.

But no prime other than 5 can end in 5.

That leaves 1, 3, 7, 9.

Hurray, we've found that all primes greater than 5 must end with one of the same 4 digits.

scandalous-goat

base 12:

digit occurrences
1 241
2 1
3 1
5 254
7 249
b 254

base 16:

digit occurrence
1 118
2 1
3 126
5 130
7 127
9 123
b 126
d 124
f 125

antiracistNew

Why not provide base 10?

Is there anything significant to be noticed about the number of occurrences?

scandalous-goat

base 10:

digit occurrences
1 245
2 1
3 253
5 1
7 254
9 246

Indeed, 5 is missing from all except itself.

antiracistNew

Of course, because all numbers ending in 5 are divisible by 5.

scandalous-goat

I'll be honest, I'm in drone mode right now.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

We'll see what we find once we adjust decimal places.

antiracistNew

What does decimal places mean here? Do you mean base?

In base 2, binary, all primes end in a 1 or a 0...

And all primes greater than 2 end in a 1...

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Meanwhile we have about 5 different equations that get more and more complicated the larger the number and all we have to do is convert our number system. lol.

antiracistNew

Meanwhile we have about 5 different equations

No... You don't have any equations, far as I can tell...

that get more and more complicated the larger the number

I don't see how equations getting more complicated is a good thing.

and all we have to do is convert our number system. lol.

I don't see any mathematical insight being offered in this thread that reveals the nature of numbers about anything that we don't already know in base 10.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

I will show you more. There's the prime numbers and also pie lines up with it.

Wait til I try it with the golden ratio and others. For now bed, goodnight and goodluck try it on anything it works. I am right with my theory I have put in research into enough to know the ancient methods.

scandalous-goat

Here's the first 1000 primes in base 12

2 3 5 7 b 11 15 17 1b 25 27 31 35 37 3b 45 4b 51 57 5b 61 67 6b 75 81 85 87 8b 91 95 a7 ab b5 b7 105 107 111 117 11b 125 12b 131 13b 141 145 147 157 167 16b 171 175 17b 181 18b 195 19b 1a5 1a7 1b1 1b5 1b7 205 217 21b 221 225 237 241 24b 251 255 25b 267 271 277 27b 285 291 295 2a1 2ab 2b1 2bb 301 307 30b 315 321 325 327 32b 33b 347 34b 357 35b 365 375 377 391 397 3a5 3ab 3b5 3b7 401 40b 415 41b 421 427 431 435 437 447 455 457 45b 465 46b 471 481 485 48b 497 4a5 4b1 4bb 507 511 517 51b 527 531 535 541 545 557 565 575 577 585 587 58b 591 59b 5b1 5b5 5b7 5bb 611 615 617 61b 637 63b 647 655 661 665 66b 675 687 68b 695 69b 6a7 6b1 701 705 70b 711 71b 721 727 735 737 745 747 751 767 76b 771 775 77b 785 791 797 7a1 7bb 801 80b 817 825 82b 835 841 851 855 85b 865 867 871 881 88b 8a5 8a7 8ab 8b5 8b7 901 905 907 90b 91b 921 927 955 95b 965 971 987 995 9a7 9ab 9b1 9b5 9bb a07 a0b a11 a17 a27 a35 a37 a3b a41 a45 a4b a5b a6b a77 a87 a91 a95 a9b aa7 aab ab7 abb b11 b15 b1b b21 b25 b2b b31 b37 b45 b61 b67 b6b b71 b91 b95 b97 ba5 bb5 bb7 1005 1011 1017 1021 1027 1041 1047 104b 1051 1061 106b 107b 1087 109b 10b1 10b7 10bb 1101 1105 1107 1115 1125 112b 1135 114b 1151 1165 1167 1185 118b 1197 11a1 11a5 11a7 11ab 11b7 1201 120b 1211 121b 1231 123b 1245 1255 1257 125b 1261 126b 127b 1281 1295 1297 12a1 12a5 12a7 12b5 1301 1317 1337 133b 1345 1351 1365 1367 136b 1377 138b 1391 1395 13a1 13a7 13b1 13b5 1405 1407 1425 142b 1431 1437 143b 1445 1457 1461 1465 1467 1471 1475 147b 148b 1495 149b 14b1 14b5 14bb 150b 1517 1521 1525 1547 1561 156b 1577 157b 1585 1587 1591 15ab 15bb 1601 1615 1621 1625 1635 1647 1655 1657 165b 1667 1671 1677 167b 1681 1685 168b 1697 169b 16a1 16a7 16b5 16b7 1705 1711 1715 1727 1735 1745 1747 1751 1755 1757 176b 1781 1785 178b 1797 17a1 17a5 17bb 1807 1815 181b 1825 1831 183b 184b 1861 1865 186b 1875 1877 189b 18a1 18ab 18b7 18bb 1911 1915 1921 1931 1937 1947 194b 1955 1971 197b 1981 1995 19b7 19bb 1a01 1a11 1a17 1a1b 1a2b 1a35 1a41 1a45 1a51 1a6b 1a71 1a75 1a77 1a87 1aab 1ab1 1ab7 1b01 1b07 1b0b 1b15 1b17 1b27 1b2b 1b3b 1b41 1b4b 1b51 1b65 1b67 1b7b 1b85 1ba1 1bb5 2001 2005 2007 200b 2011 202b 2037 2047 2051 205b 2061 2065 206b 2071 2077 2085 2087 2097 20a5 20a7 20b5 2107 2111 2115 211b 2127 2131 2137 214b 215b 2161 2165 2177 2181 2185 2191 219b 21a7 21b1 21b7 2215 221b 2221 222b 2241 2245 224b 2265 2267 2275 2287 228b 2291 229b 22b1 22b5 2301 2317 231b 2325 2327 232b 2335 2337 2347 234b 2367 2385 2395 2397 239b 23a5 23ab 23b1 23b7 2415 2417 2421 2435 243b 244b 2451 2457 2467 247b 2481 2485 248b 24a1 24a5 24a7 2501 2521 252b 2535 2537 2545 2547 2555 2557 2565 256b 2571 257b 2581 258b 2595 25a1 2607 2615 2617 2625 2631 2637 2645 265b 2665 2675 2685 2687 26a1 26a7 26ab 26b5 26bb 2715 2717 2725 2737 2741 2745 2747 274b 276b 2771 2781 2787 279b 27a7 27b1 27b7 2811 2825 2827 282b 2835 2837 2841 2847 2855 285b 286b 287b 2895 2897 28a1 28a5 28bb 2907 2927 292b 2931 2935 293b 2941 2951 2955 2967 2991 299b 29a5 29b5 2a07 2a11 2a1b 2a2b 2a31 2a35 2a3b 2a47 2a51 2a5b 2a61 2a65 2a77 2a81 2a87 2a8b 2a95 2a97 2aa5 2aa7 2abb 2b0b 2b17 2b31 2b35 2b3b 2b4b 2b51 2b57 2b61 2b67 2b8b 2b95 2ba7 2bab 2bb7 3005 3011 3021 3037 303b 3041 3045 3065 3075 307b 3081 3095 309b 30a5 30b7 3105 3117 311b 3145 314b 3155 315b 3167 3171 3175 3177 3187 3191 3195 3197 31a1 31bb 3205 3207 320b 3225 3227 322b 323b 3241 3247 324b 3271 3277 3281 3285 3291 329b 3307 331b 3321 3327 332b 3331 3335 3337 3345 3357 3361 3365 3371 337b 3385 33a1 33a5 33a7 33b1 3417 341b 3427 3435 343b 3445 3451 3457 3467 346b 3475 3477 3481 3485 348b 3491 349b 34a1 34b5 34bb 3517 351b 352b 3541 3565 356b 3587 358b 35a5 35b1 35b7 35bb 3605 3617 3621 3627 3635 3637 3645 3655 3661 366b 3671 367b 3687 3697 36a5 3705 3707 370b 3717 3721 3725 3731 3747 3755 375b 3765 3767 3771 377b 378b 3791 379b 37a5 37ab 37b5 3801 3807 3815 381b 3821 3827 3831 3837 3845 3851 3871 3877 3895 3897 38b1 38b5 3901 390b 3935 3941 3957 395b 3961 396b 3975 3977 3981 3985 399b 39a7 39b7 3a11 3a25 3a2b 3a31 3a41 3a47 3a55 3a57 3a65 3a67 3a71 3a7b 3a91 3a95 3ab5 3ab7 3b0b 3b11 3b1b 3b21 3b2b 3b47 3b4b 3b51 3b55 3b61 3b75 3b7b 3b85 3b87 3b97 3bab 3bb7 3bbb 4005 402b 4031 403b 4041 4047 404b 4055 405b 4067 4071 4075 4085 408b 4097 40a7 40ab 4101 4111 411b 413b 4145 4155 415b 4161 417b 4187 41a1 41ab 41b5 4207 420b 4211 4217 4225 4231 4237 423b 4245 426b 4281 428b 4291 42a1 42ab 42b1 4305 4307 4321 4341 4357 4361 4375 438b 4395 4397 43b1 43b5 43bb 4401 440b 4417 4425 442b 4435 4441 4445 444b 4451 445b 4461 4471 4475 447b 4485 4487 4497 449b 44b1 4507 450b 4515 4531 4535 4541 4547 454b 4557 455b 4571 4577 457b 4591 45a1 45a5 45a7 4611 4615 4635 463b 4645 4655 4665 4677 4681 4685 4687 468b 46a5 46ab 46bb

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Interesting eh, we will have to work on this tomorrow and try using different bases. Maybe changing the amount of single digits is the key to seeing the keys. If 12 simply gives these answers maybe it's worth it to try to adjust it to others. Maybe each has it's own benefit. :) Goodnight good work. :) Notice 1 5 7 11 are always +4 +2 +4 +2 +4 +2

antiracistNew

But that pattern quickly breaks as a process for generating primes...

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

I'm not trying to generate primes I'm trying to find secrets to the universe

antiracistNew

So what?

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

aint gon find this shit on the internet

antiracistNew

This post was really hard to follow.

Are you doing anything different than working in base 12?

What does the reality we live in have to do with math?

What benefit is there to computing pi in this manner?

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

scandalous-goat

It's not base 12… it is some sort of exponential base, I think.

edit: never mind, I was not calculating the numbers properly.

antiracistNew

I still have no idea wtf is going on. How does he get 1 to be 1.08?

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Because I am saying we are missing 2 single digit numbers in our mix. The ancient method is that way definitely. It's waved in our face.

antiracistNew

Then that's base 12. And 1 is still 1 in base 12, not 1.08.

Where do you get 1.08 from?

Use A and B as your extra single digits.

Then all of your single digits are:

1) 0

2) 1

3) 2

...

9) 8

10) 9

11) A

12) B

So there we have 12 single digits, from 0 to B.

How the hell do we get 1.08 from that?

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

We don't ignore it, I never used that in any part of the equations I showed anyway. lol.

antiracistNew

Why aren't you counting 0 as a single digit?

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

i am just didnt write it in that one instance

scandalous-goat

The digits should work as such -

Single digits 1-11

Double digits 12-143

Triple digits 144-1727

Using this method of thinking you remove your assumption 1+1=2. It's wrong, it doesn't all of math is wrong in theory. 1 is actually 1.08 so 1+1 is actually 2.16 roughly.

Holy shit dude, elaborate on that. It makes no sense at all.

edit: the number system makes sense, except that using base 10 to describe base 12 is not intuitive.

>>> 143 / 12
11.916666666666666
>>> 12**2
144
>>> 12**3
1728

The last part, I remember reading something like that somewhere but I can't remember what it was. Wasn't it electricity related?

antiracistNew

How is electricity related to math? One is physics, one is math...

scandalous-goat

Hey, I'm just throwing stuff out there to get a better understanding.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Okay I will give you guys a way better write up tomorrow with multiple examples. Basically what I'm saying though is we are all thrown off base straight from the start because we are missing numbers it should be 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X Y 12

12 should really be represented as 10 and it should go as follows

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1X 1Y

12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 ^ being the numbers above.

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Then 20's as the same, once you get to 99 you should be at only 83

81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 8X 8Y 90

97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108

I think you can get what I mean but it scrambles all the numbers basically that we use. I am giving you guys the keys to unscrambling them. Figure out the numbers like I am showing you they just make sense, where you usually get weird numbers like pie you get numbers that relate to other things.

Cheers I will write and research more tomorrow.

scandalous-goat

Yeah, I edited my comment about that. Where's the 1 = 1.08 coming from, though?

You could use letters like with hexadecimal: 0..9, A, B where A = 10 and B = 11

edit: forgot to include 0

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

I don't recall what I meant just ignore it for now, it has something to do with

1/10 x 12 = 1.08. I will write more tomorrow but I am feeling like I am uncovering stuff here, I wrote stuff using that system on a piece of paper before writing this but I didn't have a graph to match the math.

like I said I'll write more tomorrow with more stuff too there is a reason we have all this crap shoved in our face and I want to lead the path into every bit of knowledge I can accumulate. :)

scandalous-goat

Yeah 1/12 = 0.083333333— so (1 + 1/12) = 1.08333333333—

@antiracistnew

antiracistNew

Yeah, but adding 1 + 1/12 is a completely arbitrary calculation. Is it supposed to mean anything?

In other news, 1 + .666 = 1.666

antiracistNew

Shit's hillurrious tho.

Flat_Earth-Fat_Girth

Funny for now because I just discovered this. If I didn't have work tomorrow I'd stay up all night.