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Lively discussion in California media over what Jerry Brown did with the money ;)

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They had 25 billion a year gifted by feds for " investment in infrastructure" ... and they blew it on other things (Jerry Brown pet projects).

There isn't a lack of " investment in infrastructure" there is a lack of prosecution of criminals who steal the investment (opinion).

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NEW-

Atmospheric HAARP River Switches to “OFF” Over Oroville

http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2017/02/22/haarp-2/

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Oroville Dam: Artificial Loading of the Watershed Up North to Flood the Reservoir 19 02 2017

From Dr. Leuren Moret

http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/oroville/

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Oroville Dam: Artificial Loading of the Watershed Up North to Flood the Reservoir

https://voat.co/v/conspiracy/1660084

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HUGE DANGER!

Oroville Dam from an Engineers perspective

https://youtu.be/okpYeFUmp60

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Oroville Dam Computer Simulation of Complete Fail from UCSC

https://youtu.be/iVpiJHg92Uc

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LIVE PRECIP MAP

(you can customize the location)

http://www.cnrfc.noaa.gov/precipMaps.php?group=sh&hour=24&synoptic=0

**SELECT "Shasta" **for the Basin area in the grey box.

Oroville dam is at the vary bottom right corner of the map.

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Dam Disaster Averted (or derailed) in California

http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/dam-disaster/

  • more from Leuren Moret

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Over Half of California's 1,585 dams have a high-hazard potential

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/infographic-744118-california-reservoirs.html

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Oroville Dam’s flood-control manual hasn’t been updated for half a century

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article133030359.html

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If the dam breaks and floods - here is where this old nuke plant is (with 11 acres used for nuke waste like contaminated tools etc. )

##Rancho Seco Nuclear Generating Station

MAP: https://goo.gl/maps/6peoB75rWE82

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"OroVille Dam" 11 Secrets They Are Not Telling You. PLUS Video Footage Exclusive

https://youtu.be/8etbr_eCV48

There is a quarry near the dam, he explains and it may have set the whole thing off.

Dr. Leuren Moret says, “It looks to me like the earthquake popped some of the cement tiles up on the spillway in a straight line from the quarry to the spillway where it was first damaged, and that seemed to be in a straight line nearly perpendicular to the spillway.

Earthquake waves are made up of a compression (P) wave (compression expansion), and a sheer (S) wave that moves perpindicular to the direction the wave is travelling. Body waves travel through the earth, and surface waves travel on the surface. In addition to S and P waves there are also Rayleigh waves. They are called ground roll, or surface waves that travel as ripples with motions that are similar to those of waves on the surface of water. There are also Love waves that are horizontally polarized shear waves (SH waves). But whether body or ground waves, they are all called seismic waves.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_wave

http://flyingcuttlefish.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/pswaves.jpg

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**Opinion: **

My take on the situation so far-

  • They minimize the damage and the danger for political reason (governor's office).
  • They know how really dire it is but keep it secret for political reason (governor's office).
  • Some dam authorities and local officials etc. are leaking news out.
  • Governor's office is doubling down on lies about current status (dam integrity) and dam history (re-writing dam history, reports).
  • The evacuation order given by the sherrif was very brave and I think he disobeyed state orders doing it.
  • The evacuation proves evacuation time is longer than FEMA etc. said in disaster scenario reports etc.
  • Another evacuation may include panic and road damage and will not go as fast or well.

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useful links to LIVE dam data, water level etc. is here -

https://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/oroville-secret/

There is a water level chart too - and you can customize it for 1 week, 1 month etc. -

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/jspplot/jspPlotServlet.jsp?sensor_no=3378&end=02%2F15%2F2017+05%3A02&geom=huge&interval=7&cookies=cdec01

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Engineers are LOSING the battle to lower water behind California’s crumbling dam by 50 ft before new storm hits on Wednesday - after admitting the waters have only dropped 11 ft in 24 hours

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4221808/Officials-warned-Oroville-Dam-12-years-ago.html

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Shasta dam may be in trouble and levees could also fail ...

https://youtu.be/SfwZUbKjgy0

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Feb 13 Oroville Dam Drone Video - https://youtu.be/XFkI2gxOPYM

Feb 14 - recent footage from today:

https://youtu.be/XFkI2gxOPYM

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This is worthwhile -

"Just a few observations: The reservoir is essentially full. The main spillway is not functional (at least not for long). The emergency spillway is not designed for continuous operation (which may be no choice option). The ability of the power plant to reduce reservoir levels is minimal because of limited flow capacity. Snow melt in the watershed is going to require normal spillway operation. The current situation is VERY serious unless temporary repairs to the main spillway can be made. If I lived anywhere in the valley below, I would be monitoring the situation very closely just in case something takes a significant turn for the worse. In addition to additional erosion below the area that has failed, there would be obvious concern about the integrity of the spillway foundation between the slab failure point and the spillway gates. Not my intent to raise alarm or be alarmist, but it is serious and has the potential to be catastrophic. Once structural integrity is compromised and normal operation is not possible, it is serious."

Source: a comment by Sandy Larsen on this video

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https://youtu.be/m4-N5SvXZjM

first 4 min. tells about flaws in the dam from the start

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At the 8 min. mark in this video this fellow says the dam is at high water mark and not reduced in water level as reported on the news - - -

https://youtu.be/L9MnTwchvjo

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The LA Times Editorial Board:

Editorial: Why the situation at the Oroville Dam may be an L.A. crisis too

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-oroville-dam-20170213-story.html

"Southern Californians have been drinking from the Feather River — and washing in it, flushing with it and sprinkling it over their lawns — for nearly a half century without giving it much thought, so the emergency at distant Oroville Dam provides a jolting reminder of our dependence on the wetter, northern part of the state. A disaster there could easily become a crisis here.

Oroville is the linchpin of the State Water Project, the massive engineering feat that brings Northern Sierra water from the Feather River to the Sacramento, through the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, into the California Aqueduct, over the Tehachapis and to our faucets. . . "

Environmental groups predicted Oroville emergency spillway erosion in 2005 court document

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-live-updates-oroville-dam-environmental-groups-predicted-1487029145-htmlstory.html

"In a technical memo on Lake Oroville’s discharge, the Yuba County Water Agency wrote in 2002 that if the Department of Water Resources used the emergency spillway, “extensive erosion would take place” and that “the spillway road and possibly high voltage transmission towers would be impacted,” according to a motion to intervene on the licensing filed by environmentalist groups in 2005."

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Leuren Moret points out this article -

Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

She says, "how the retrofit of the dam spillways got killed 12 years ago by the lawyers for the water agencies!!!!! Schwartznegger was Gov.

Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago (FERC Filings &c)”

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

Leuren Moret.info

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Was the Oroville Dam Spillway engineered to collapse at an appointed time?

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2017/02/13/february-13-2017-evening-news/

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When the dam was built, it didn't have rebar reinforcement. That's why it broke, and why they had to evacuate the fish hatchery.

Are you a local to the area? Because a lot of the "elite" people in the area have ties to ranching (cattle, almonds, rice, corn; big ag in general) and wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot, not with how water has been rationed due to the drought.

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The other part that makes me go what the fuck? on his post is: Where do cities get their magical food supplies from? I know damn well they cannot grow enough food on rooftops to support any city.

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No - I am not a west coaster - but L. Moret is out that way. I am sure big ag calls the shots on water. Some people don't know how big farming is out there - green-gold!

ABACABB

Your first clue to their insanity was calling this a disaster... No one died no large pupulation areas got flooded. Some damage to a dam that desperately needing fixing. No big deal.

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I am pretty sure it has been declared a disaster. That declaration allows out of town fire dept.s etc. to respond (get paid by the state).

As it is unfolding still and homes have not been searched that are in the danger zone it is presumptuous to say no one has been hurt or killed.

Disabled people were left behind according television reports.

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It's not presumptuous. It's a fact. The situation is under control. Disabled people were left!!! Omg someone think of the retards. If that doesn't show you this is another media hysteria I don't know what will. Don't you see how the media sells you bullshit and you eat it up and believe every word. Water isn't coming out of any spillway anymore. They have 3 days to fill the hole and make temporary fix until the rain starts again. Wasn't the media saying California will be a desert is 10 years this time last year. They sell you fear and tragedy and you buy it no questions asked.

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There relly isn't any need for insults and ranting. The disabled persons (plural) was from evecuee interview telling about refusal of ambulance to fetch disabled people. The dropping rocks idea is not going to be effective against a massive water breech but will probably succeed if it doesn't rain this week and the massive storm on the way decides to go somewhere else. Sources for water level, spillage, erosion include multiple live cams and witness videos posted on line. The news media was late to report (except local west coast media) so most are getting news from non-commercial sources, not from media "hysteria".

"They sell you fear and tragedy and you buy it no questions asked." this is the hallmark signature of a troll. Try another thread.

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Cities and towns from 4 counties were issued orders for immediate evacuation. That's significant. It's dangerous and has potential for tragedy. From Oroville to Sacramento-- that's not a small amount of area. If the emergency spillway gives out, there's more than a handful of communities in danger. They've cancelled school/college for those in the Oroville area just in case. http://www.actionnewsnow.com/story/34486618/butte-county-releases-map-of-areas-with-mandatory-evacuation

Fuck man, read up on the Johnstown flood. It's got that kind of potential.

I'm from the area and have family there. As a kid, I toured the dam as a field trip. Trust me when I say this can be bad, as the area at risk is a part of America's breadbasket, so it's not just the impact on lives, but for feeding communities.

The Romans had an adage; give them circuses and bread and the poor will never revolt.

Deliberately wiping out the farms/ranches/orchards of gun-loving rednecks would backfire. They're already pissed that their vote for Trump means that they lose their cheap farm labor and that's got their knickers in a bunch.

The State of Jefferson is very much alive in that area, is all I'm saying.

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SEE ALSO - America's Man-Made Disasters series by Trowbridge H. Ford

http://rockythedog.net/spooky/Glimpsesindex1/GlimpseIndex1.html

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Chapter from 'Unless Peace Comes', 1968

HOW TO WRECK THE ENVIRONMENT

by Gordon J. F. MacDonald, U.S.A.

https://coto2.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/1968-macdonald-how-to-wreck-the-planet.pdf

Leuren Moret comments on this article and the dam -

... this chapter in the book " Unless Peace Comes " was written in 1968 by Gordon MacDonald, the geophysicist who created the HAARP applications for tectonic warfare and other geophysical aps for HAARP. This excerpt can go with any comments or articles on natural disasters that are artificially triggered.

This chapter explains a lot of things and its easy to read. At the very end he explains how they will use the HAARP aps to strip the public of their resources and freedom, and make them think these are all natural disasters .