Jabiluka

Try using StartPage as a search engine, better than Duck Duck Go.

abc_xyz

Considering they basically own/control the mobile operating system market, online search and dominate online marketing revenue (because they can shut down companies that rely on ad words for example), they have more responsibility to everyone they serve, not just what the shadow government want them to do. (I don't think this is Trump, since the MSM is against him and pushing their own agenda, which seems to be linked to neocon old timers still clinging onto what little control they have left.)

Source for Google not being a normal company as you seem to believe is here .

Hoogachakka

Natural News is absolute shit anyways. Nothing of value was lost.

eggmunkee

Is Google search an endorsement list in your view? Besides that, you act as if outrage about Google is some kind of tyranny against them. We're free people talking about something we don't support. Why are you trying to stop discussion of this? What pisses you off so much about this discussion?

Thought experiment: A local bookstore that is widely relied on decides to get rid of all conservative materials without notice one day. You would be the one yelling at the customers to stop complaining because they're a business, right? "It's not against the law, dumbasses!" Meanwhile, none of them are talking about any law at all. Not all discussions must start and end at the bounds of the Constitution or what is legally permitted.

purr

It's not censorship. Please stop abusing this word.

I agree with you partially. I think the word censorship can indeed apply to banning of information by private entities like Google. Nonetheless, private censorship and government censorship are on two very different levels. The government can force people to do things while Google can't.

Google has the right to put whatever they want in their search results, but that doesn't mean that I can't express my opinion of them. It just means that I can't force them to do anything.

eggmunkee

You are correct re: "1st amendment" but as a business they are arguably falsely presenting their product. If Google is claiming for example providing a reliable searchable index of the internet, then they can't also provide a filtered/selectively indexed version of the internet for political reasons. The customers of Google have a right to hear and know that their dollars are going to fund a company with political agendas, who is using supposedly impartial knowledge tools to influence users ability to find information.

I looked it up to be sure, and censorship the word doesn't denote that government is the actor. This is private censorship. And where do you get the idea someone is dictating to Google? We're actually talking about and disproving of their actions, not calling on the government to storm Google headquarters. If companies choose to care about public opinion, they are free to listen to it or not.

djsumdog

DDG is independently owned, but runs on Amazon Web Services and buys most of their indexes from Yandex.

djsumdog

The trouble is, they control the majority means of distribution. If Amazon decides not to carry a kindle book, just due to their sheer size and customer base, it effectively removes that book from a huge segment of the market.

If we still had a viable Hotbot, Lycos, Yahoo, Dogpile, alternative set of search engines; then yes. Just use something else. We don't. Google is the de-facto gateway to searching the Internet. That's a huge problem and when they remove results, that can be considered censorship.

djsumdog

This is a big problem. There are no real options. Ubuntu Mobile is pretty much dead. FirefoxOS is dead. There is Plamsa:

https://plasma-mobile.org/

..but it has very limited device support. This has more to do with the ARM ecosystem than anything else.

zo34

In any sort of conversation of value tact is useless.

JamesGhost

Damn. It's true. You used to have to storm the local libraries to suppress information. Now you can just hit delete.

zo34

Dunno why you're getting downvotes. This is the underpinning of a capitalist society. Once people are cognizant of the fuckery there will be competition (in fact, there already is).

webrustler

Natural News is not the most mainstream outlet there is. They talk about shit that the MSM is keeping a tight lid on. Why are they not mainstream? Is it because they don't show up prominently in the worlds largest search engine?

A search engine's function is not to moderate the diversity (heh) of information, but to make all the available info accessible.

Me, I'd like to make my mind up myself, thank you very much.

Runaway-White-Slave

It's called a "Memoryhole" and it's being fucked stupid right about now....

ThePolymath

I fully agree with you that NN is horse shit, and it looks like some of the conspiracy morons have downvoted you, but as others have stated it is the method (censorship) that Google is employing that is questionable.

killyurmaster

duckduckgo this way -> www.duckduckgo.com

Mr_Hands

It's A weird thing when A company becomes as big as Google you kind of have different expectations. Google is free to do what they want but if they're pulling fuckary I like to know

Fragnostus

google owes you nothing

and I owe google nothing

where do you get the right to dictate what they provide

just letting them know why I won't be using their products

saintPirelli

The methods. The methods are bad. Although it's private company so they can do whatever the fuck they want.

purr

This is blatant censorship. Whether Natural News is true is irrelevant, the job of search engines is to give people what they're looking for, not hammer beliefs into people.

Javik2186

Stop using Google and start using Duck Duck Go.

piratse

Duck duck go is garbage. The search results are horrible and the owner is sketchy.

djsumdog

And it's all run on Amazon Web Services anyway. If Amazon is served a warrant, they can scrape everything off DDG without them even knowing.

dingdongdildos

DuckDuckGo is owned by Gabriel Weinberg.

TypicalVoaters

who is that?

Jerktwo

who knows but if you look at his last name you'd know not to trust him

Javik2186

Yeah. Who is he?

DalaiFarmer

Gabriel Weinberg.

bikergang_accountant

Fuck google. Do not use a single google product unless you are actively attempting to destroy it. There are alternatives for everything.

Tallest_Skil

If you haven’t been downloading scientific papers on racial differences for YEARS now, it may already be too late.

gazillions

Google has complete control over almost every business on earth, and we aren't torching them?

abc_xyz

Google is an arm of the CIA, given their venture capital arm injections before Google went into BETA. Brin and Page would do anything their masters tell them, from the start.

Shudding down information sources like natural news and infowars is gestapo esque. Google is not NOT a normal company. They are doing the CIA and shadow governments bidding.

When seen in this light, their actions make much more sense.

dkyuss

Another reason to stay away from (((GOOGLE)))

Tb0n3

I don't think anything of value was lost, but I don't agree with the method.

eggmunkee

Being able to find a website someone is specifically looking for is a big value to that person. I actually have found value there in the past, though you must be skeptical of course.

ThePolymath

My first reaction was "good riddance" but after thinking about it I agree with your position.

Redditsdead

I used to browse Natural News but have all but abandoned it. Mostly alarmist BS, in my opinion, but that's not a reason to allow it to come up in Google search results. MSM isn't much better nowadays and I'm not being facetious. I'd honestly say it's on par.

madmalloy

Most of the site's articles have been scrubbed.