o0shad0o

Pretty close, actually... Of course, that power is being pulled from the motor instead of being applied to the wheels...

QuestionEverything

Mayer had to go to Patent office to obtain a WORKING patent. Which is the only thing they would accept for his claims. It worked. Then everyone else tested it. UL said it worked. NASA said it worked. DoD said it worked. He had 60+ patents worldwide. He covered his bases. They killed him.

I'm sure they would restructure the entire energy industry.. 200million $ per hour industry wouldn't fight off any competition, would it?

ThizzBoss

Why did you link me to some guy talking about a tsunami on joe rogan? I think you just did too much acid dude

Tb0n3

Holy shit. The crazy is real.

Anonymous_User_69

Never run out? Are you fuckers dumb enough to believe in free energy?

QuestionEverything

They figured out the brown gas aspect, then they figured out Stanleys 'secret': the Bifilar pancake coil in his patents is a TESLA circuit. The same radiative power those 'wireless cell phone chargers' use. From that point they started getting big overunity numbers. Pretty much unlimited hydrogen production for a few watts. -Game changer.

They sold it. Quielty. To Energy company in Canada. Shareholders paid for it: then SUED when it got shelved. THEY LOST.

XOGEN prinicipals: given cushy political positions and paid off.

QuestionEverything

Followed Mayer and his work for decades. Its all right there.

Go look up the old board of directors for blacklight with the wayback machine: Rotschilds, ex GE CEO, and several FLEET COMMANDERs. -You think these people funded some quack?

All public knowledge. LITERALLY IN YOUR FACE. Go look at the XOGEN court case.

Its CD. Cognitive dissonance. You just don't believe anyone would or could suppress free energy.

Here's why it's stupid to post links: No matter what, You'll disagree with them because its the first thing CD tells you to do in your brain: Anger and dismissal of source.

What can counter that: FACTS.

Guess what: Privacy. You have none. Echelon, Stellar wind. Voting rights: LOL. Diebold and ESS stole your vote. Voting exit polls since they arrived are IMPOSSIBLE. False Flags: yeah 911.. seems plausible.. Sandy hook. BostonMArathon.. Why are there HUNDREDS of discrepancies of fact versus reporting? Free press?: They dont even hide its propaganda now. $600 million from cia to buy a newspaper? Where'd that budget come from? CIA is working AGAINST you, not for you.

The big one:

UFOs: This is why they justify all this. Some BS treaty IKE signed is the rumor.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE> You have it.

Hey. For SIX HOURS in 1954, FLYING SAUCERS FLEW OVER WASHINGTON. Witnessed by thousands. Reported in every major newspaper IN THE COUNTRY.

-Go check. Look it up.. You still can't seem to wrap your head around this huh?

See Trumps face after his first big security briefing? Shock.

NOTHING I'VE WRITTEN HERE IS FALSE, and you can't swallow any of it I bet. Go ahead. Everything I've written here is 100% factual. GO CHECK.

99% of this world is asleep. And they refuse to be woken up. Its that CD. Stupid fucking survival trait won't let your mind re-write the fake ideology they've built. It makes you powerless. You waste your time arguing about gender rights for bathrooms..

YOU CAN WAKE UP however.

MCVoat

"Go look" is not proper sourcing.

QuestionEverything

Only way to break out of your cd.

Even better, accept my challenge and REFUTE any FACT I stated.

Its the only way. I'm not being lazy. You are.

You think someone else can wake you up?

You beg to be spoon fed and then spit up what I serve you.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=1952+washington+flying+saucers

8592663?

I tried google and Ca court site and could not find any court cases involving XOGEN/XOGEN technologies/ XOGEN Texhnologies Inc. ... I'm struggling with the XOGEN search other than thier shitty website to which my first thought was that it was built by Stephen Glass

QuestionEverything

They are getting better at burying information.

It was a shell operation buyout. Big energy corp with controlled board set up a shell: Tathacus holdings. Subsidiary of Crucero holdings I think. They bought the tech OUTRIGHT and shelved it. Investors sued. They came to some settlement, not public though. I can't even find publicly traded options for the company anymore they may have gone private or simply sold to another shell company. Canadian Energy is screwy: they can hide companies in companies and move assets around through name changes and buyouts. Very shady and a lot of big money involved.

joe5955

One of his vids he does a test with electrolysis combined with a frequency generator with a salt water mixture, boiled away in a matter of seconds

qwop

Harlo Mayne uses a chemical extraction. He combines water with aluminium. While cool, it's not the same as what Meyers did.

Like you said in your earlier comment, Meyers used high frequency and low current to extract hydrogen even from distilled water. It was not normal DC electrolysis, nor chemical extraction.

joe5955

Ty

CowWithBeef

The laws of physics aren't a conspiracy.

qwop

Meyer's engine was not using simple traditional DC electrolysis. He called it Hydrogen Fracturing, and it was able to extract hydrogen gas even from distilled water (you cannot do DC electrolysis on distilled water).

qwop

From Youtube comments. It appears it's more advanced than just simple DC electrolysis:

Stan Meyer use different type of electrolysis, it is not like + and - on plates , he use pulses and hi voltage and low amps. He shake water molecule by frequency , it is not simple system. Electrolysis can be don two ways , like by Faraday way , this is simple way , + and - , hi amps, which is dead end or Tesla way , which more complicated and Stan Meyer system working based on Tesla way. All dry cells it is crap, which is working based on Faraday way ,waste of money and time, Ebay full of this junk, for this cells need add KOH to get hi amps , then this cells getting hot , as soon they getting hot this dry cells stop producing enough HHO , then they need to be clean from KOH , but main thing they take a lots of amps which totally opposite which try tell us Stan Meyer , they key to produce right way HHO need FREQUENCY, HI VOLTAGE AND LOW AMPS !!!

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Stanley_Meyer_Resonant_Electrolysis_Cell.pdf

Drenki

The only thing electrolysis can do here is add some H or O to the normal gas in hopes it increases the efficiency of the burn of the fuel.

Otherwise, there is some bad going around.

not_shadowbanned_yet

this is just a primitive hydrogen fuel cell isn't it?

qwop

No. It appears not. Seems far from primitive. See my other comment:
https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/1748806/8565026

I'm reading the PDF doc now. There's also an hour long video on Youtube about it...

not_shadowbanned_yet

i didn't mean it like that- i just meant it's basically a precursor to the hydrogen fuel cell.

what also pisses me off about these conspiracies is it's almost as if these guys think that just because you have a patent the invention works.i can patent a perpetual motion water fuel cell right now, doesn't mean it works.

qwop

I don't think it was a hydrogen fuel cell either. He used resonant frequencies to extract the hydrogen from water. It's something akin to Tesla's scalar wave technology. I'm still researching though....

not_shadowbanned_yet

something akin to Tesla's scalar wave technology

is that the thing people think would give us all free electricity too?

qwop

I don't know about that, but scalar waves as I understand it at this point, are just another form of electromagnetic waves which researchers are just now beginning to experiment with. Today's classical science for the most part only recognize what we could call Hertzian waves, or those discovered by Heinrich Hertz. Tesla further discovered longitudinal, or scalar waves, which he used to build his massive power transmission towers with.

Scalar waves work differently than Hertzian waves, in that the transmitters can "sense" receivers, which is not possible with traditional Herzian waves. Think of it like a radio station that sees a load on its transmitter when you turn on your radio. Herzian waves do not exhibit this phenomenon.

Anyway this is about as far as I've dug into the science at this point. It's really interesting stuff.

SayTan

Same as far as idling engines.

HashTagFU

No, still no free lunch.

SayTan

Right. And turbos don't work to increase efficiency because they increase exhaust backpressure...You are being tarded.

HashTagFU

Explain how an idling engine is "saving energy" or making the engine "more efficient" or whatever it is you're arguing. The post above yours talks about regenerative breaking - storing energy that would otherwise be lost due to deceleration. How is that anything like an idling engine? I'll wait.

SayTan

It's turning over anyway. You get more from the hydrogen electrolysis than you lose to the alternator running under slightly greater load. He's instrumented it on his rolling road dyno.

HashTagFU

So over unity? You should patent it. You'll be rich.

SayTan

Right. You are still being tarded.

HashTagFU

Says the guy that thinks he can get more power out of an idling engine than he puts in. There is definitely a tard here and it's not me.

SayTan

Nothing is 100% effecient. Having higher octane, allowing one to run higher compression and better valve timing improves effeciency. You putting words in my mouth is what makes you a tard. Next up explain to me that turbos are a fraud. Dipshit.

HashTagFU

Yeah, no shit nothing is 100% efficient. Maybe you should just not idly the engine and save the energy you would have used burning gas instead? You see where I'm going with this? Prolly not, tard.

SayTan

While I'm an indulging a dipshit: Starting and stopping an internal combustion engine, to run it "on demand" creates it's own losses and ineffeciencies. Maybe that can be your calling someday, if you ever progress from being a NEET. My friend does ICE engine design for a living, and he got interested in if you could make any useful gains with hydrogen electrolysis. Short answer is yes. Long answer is yes, but the engine needs to be designed around it. Consider yourself indulged, dipshit.

HashTagFU

Yes you use a little more energy to start an engine. If you create a little bit of hydrogen from hydrolysis after starting the engine you could argue that it's more efficient for a short period of time. After the engine idles for a bit you lose those gains. And why would you start and stop an engine over and over again? Protip : most people start their car, drive somewhere and stop their car. Calling me names doesn't make you right. If anything it shows you can't argue on facts.

You are clearly too stupid to understand this. Is your friend's name Stan Meyer Jr by chance?

SayTan

Works at a noted research facility. No commercial intent.

You probably won't understand this.

I would not give a moron TROLL contact info for a friend of mine. There are engineering journals you can avail yourself of.

While you are solving the world, can you come up with a way to start and stop internal combustion engines "on demand" without having horrid emmisions? I BET YOU CAN'T.

Friend has a hydrogen ice hobby. I did not try to sell you anything. He did not try to sell you anything. You have been a retard fuck out of the gate.

What is your excuse for being such a huge asshole that tries to put words in people's mouths? It doesn't make any case, it just makes you an asshole.

HashTagFU

I like to match people's stupidity level with an equal amount of asshole.

SayTan

You are still weaponizing your autism in the wrong direction. I'm waiting for your explanation of how turbos and superchargers are also a fraud. You just keep digging your hole deeper.

HashTagFU

Turbos and superchargers are exploiting additional energy found in hot compressed exhaust gas and the additional oxygen pumped in to the combustion cycle respectively. On the one hand that represents energy already created by the engine and on the other it represents energy found in the additional O2 being forced into the engine. Both take energy to run which is presumably offset by the additional energy they can harness.

You really don't know what you're talking about. Goodbye.

SayTan

Exhaust back pressure is bad, therefore any use of it to make an engine efficient is your free lunch.

Minor load on an alternator to increase usable compression ratio must make the engine less effecient, therefore free lunch.

Now tell me how you you get around the emission problems of starting and stopping an ice. Maybe you can use something to keep the catalysts you are using warm, but then you would be burning energy when not doing work to move the car?

Since you have been such a huge asshole, I want to know how you solved it all.

HashTagFU

Speaking of assholes, did you know you can capture your own farts and use the gas for heating your house? Humongous energy savings. HUMONGOUS !!!!

ThizzBoss

I don't like to dismiss people since I get dismissed all the time for the conspiracies I believe, but the burden of proof is on you to convince us. I'm not going to start googling shit just because you made a claim

Longbottom_Leaf

When buying electricity it costs around 12 cents per kwh. So 16.5 kwh would be $1.98

Apathy

1 gallon of gasoline has over 33kwh of energy. Remember you're spending 16.5 to convert one gallon of water, you don't even get one gallon of hydrogen. Additionally that's what you spend, which means that's what you get back. Hydrogen at this point acts as a battery, and you need to find another power source, like nuclear, solar, or good old coal and oil.

piratse

All you have to do is travel to a dimension where physics doesn't work. His engine is a scam.

o0shad0o

More math for you: 1 gallon of water, ~4 liters, will generate about 90 liters of hydrogen, so 3L/min = 1/30th of 16500 watts = ~550 watts per minute of driving.

Bridgeheadprod

So... you have free energy?

Charlez6

Yeah every week he takes his "free" welfare cheque and buys himself some meth. Has him bouncing off the walls for hours.

Pepper-theDoctor

22 gallons and a fuck load of energy. We're getting better at creating it but it's still not cost/energy effective (you burn more energy than you make available). The next hurdle is that you would need high pressure tanks of hydrogen on your car that won't kill you in a fiery explosion in a bad crash.

piratse

if the math is right, but it's on TV, it's wrong

I've heard this dumb fucking OP story for years. That engine was bullshit. A scam. The biggest auto makers in the world have tried to make hydrogen engines. Honda did. No one tried to kill it, the infrastructure is MUCH too expensive. Storing hydrogen like that is super fucking difficult, and the reason you don't see these engines everywhere. Not to mention, oil is still cheaper than making hydrogen. And hydrogen isn't the best option right now considering you need electricity and/or fossil fuels to make hydrogen.

" The reality is that Stan Meyer was convicted of fraud in 1996 after he was unable to demonstrate his claims to investors or the court after soliciting large sums of money for commercializing his technology. "

" the problem is that Meyer was using frequencies in the tens of kilohertz range - but water molecules have a resonant frequency of around 22GHz, and only when in vapor form (when in liquid state, the molecules are in such close proximity that very little resonance is observed at any frequency). Obviously Meyer's claims of establishing some kinds of resonance at a frequency that is some six orders of magnitude too low in frequency are a joke. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd7QL1-NnlU (16:40, he literally says "the lord" showed him how to do it)

Anyone who believes his shit is a moron. If you believe this, you are the same type of person who thinks you can get rich extracting gold from salt water in the ocean.

SayTan

This is along the lines of what my friend did on his truck. It adds a bit. It does not replace gasoline. http://www.labellasautorepair.com/bettermileage_howto.htm for the minor gains, it isn't worth the bother for most.

I do not believe this guy's numbers, though.

SayTan

Friend built a rig to crack hydrogen out of water, as supplemental fuel. Uses excess generation capacity of the alternator. Adds a bit of power/mileage. Not a magic bullet. That's the reality of the available technology.

Tb0n3

extra generation capacity

You do realize that extra draw requires extra power from the engine, right? No free lunches. He's spending more energy than he's gaining.

SayTan

He gets a minor bump in power and mileage. There is no free lunch, but potential minor gains, depending on how done.

Tb0n3

It's within margin of error for gasoline vehicles controlled by humans in unpredictable conditions. It's just extra weight and extra drain on the engine. Zero benefit guaranteed.

SayTan

When you are idling around under part load, you are still spinning everything. It is a minor but quantifable gain. He's been fucking around with this for around 20 years. As I FUCKING STATED "not enough of a gain for most folks to bother." There still are some minor gains. I also pointed out I do not believe the numbers of the person I linked with a Web page about it. You are wrong on this. I'll state that unequivocally.

ThizzBoss

Yeah their claim makes sense but then you consider a turbocharger makes a car faster by using the exhaust, so the claim that you can't be more efficient by utilizing waste doesn't hold up.

I don't know much about cars though so correct me if I'm spouting out my ass

SayTan

The thing to remember is that turbos and superchargers are proven tech, but yet there is neither on a Prius ;-)

Gas is REALLY cheap right now. You aren't going to see this sort of tech when it won't make much financial difference to end users.

SayTan

Most of the time, internal combustion engines are not operating very efficiently, same as far as all systems invloving ICEs. Illustrative example of salvaging from otherwise waste: Piston engine aircraft gained speed by turning exhaust gases into thrust...Yeah, extra 50-75 hp through exhaust design of 1500hp aircraft engines wasn't much, but it was something...

My friend has a rolling road dyno at his shop. He's instrumented all his fucking around. There are gains where there otherwise would be pure waste. Of course, if you just wanted more power, there are better routes like NOS...

The extra hassle and plumbing isn't worth it to most, but then we live in a society that has accepted corn alcohol dimishing the caloric value of our gasolines...

mirimar

"A wise man proportions belief to the evidence." - David Hume Stay skeptical my friend. It is the surest way to wisdom.

canbot

Did they also destroy the buggy that he built? Did they destroy all the research he did and kill all the people he told? There are plenty of people who lie about inventing shit. Just look on youtube for free energy generators. Literally hundreds of people claim they have something that works.

QuestionEverything

Got WORKING patents. UL verified. NASA verified. DoD verified.

Tech later emerged as XOGEN. Purchased by large Canadian energy company. Shelved. Shareholders sued as they expected a return on Xogen purchase. They lost. Xogen prinicipals assigned to various political appointments..

Currently under CIAs thumb at blacklightpower in trenton NJ. Randall Mills. Verified by several Universities.

toobaditworks

You can get it online but they say it doesn't work and is an older model. Might be a start if you're looking to recreate it.

https://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Pawn

too bad it doesnt work

toobaditworks

LOL Good one.

Pawn

you dont know how long I've been waiting for just this situation. Every time I see you, I just HAVE to reply with something that starts with too bad.

DependasaurusRex

Sounds like a good way to die...

jerry

They also kill you if you make magnetic generators. Yay the future . Kill these rich white jew niggers

DeltaBravoTango

So… generators?

jerry

No. Generators im thinking of dont require fuel

Pepper-theDoctor

What? We generate power by moving metal inside a magnetic field. That's how all generators work.

jerry

Is that action not powered by gas ignition though? Or electric? Theres ways to generate power with magnets and you dont need a fuel source like you do with generators on the market today.

Pepper-theDoctor

doesnt matter how you power it. use wind, water, combustion engine to spin metal in a magnetic field and it produces electricity.

Pawn

lol magnetic generators.

QuestionEverything

Hmm. A piece of metal that has a stable magnetic field in constant flux? How could that ever possibly be useful?

/You think you're smart because you regurgitate the shit you swallowed?

Pawn

go ahead and prove me wrong redneck-einstein, build that device and let me know how it works.

Hint: it wont due to friction. It just runs longer, but it still will stop due to friction. Harvesting said energy will just make it stop quicker.

No Free lunches, no free shit.

I dare your stupid ass to prove me wrong.

QuestionEverything

Wow you're fucking stupid.

Not one moving part btw in hydrogen production side. The hydrogen is burnt conventionally after production.

How do I know this? Because it's already been built at several scales.

The two most public are trailer sized on the google campus, and actively producing electricity at 1/10th the cost of NG. There's a few articles written about em. Look em up fuckwit.

Go to blacklightpower or whatever the fuck they call themselves now. Go and refute anything Dr. Randall has written.. You fucking retard.

jerry

smug

Pawn

Dumb.

iamrage

Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 20, 1998, after dining at a restaurant. His brother claimed that during a meeting with two Belgian investors in a restaurant, Meyer suddenly ran outside, saying "They poisoned me" .[1] After an investigation, the Grove City police went with the Franklin County coroner report that ruled that Meyer, who had high blood pressure, died of a cerebral aneurysm.[1] Some of Meyer's supporters believe that he was assassinated to suppress his inventions.[1][2][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell

dan_k

Damn, that went down about 5 miles away from me.

Helios-Apollo

I was never satisfied with your alibi.