Publish My IP Address when I make a post. ( conspiracy )

submitted by ParrhesiaJoe

Or even when I vote(voat?)

Every site I go to sees my internet address: 24.19.109.171. Google and every ad agency on Earth know who I am. Anyone who would seek to harm me can find me so, so easily, it defies imagining. Show my IP address. There is nothing anyone can do with it because incoming traffic at my router is blocked. Most people with a standard internet connection are in my boat.

The Haxxors don't scan Reddit or Voat for IP's... every single machine you touch on the Internet has it.

Publish my IP! Tell people, when I up voat something, I'm using a static IP, and it is ALWAYS from the same subnet. I'm not proxying. I'm not hiding. List My IP on the Voat List if I choose to make it public, and GIVE SEPARATE STATISTICS for voats from proxies and changing IPs and those from static, announced IPs.

Now, if you systematically manipulate the votes, I'll be able to tell. If someone were in a country where this was legal (check your local laws), the proxied IPs could be tracked through a network like Tor with just a handful of proxy traps. This ONLY works if the destination is Known (voat.co) and the attacks come repeatedly from the same source... even if they are through proxies.

If Voat wanted to get even fancier, they could take random connection samples from a proxied and post them... just handshake timing and a few files of known size, really. That just makes the job of triangulating easier...

But I can do it with just the IP's... but I'm in America, and I don't know what the F*** is legal right now, so check your local laws. I'm a hacker, not a lawyer.

arrggg

If you want your IP published with your post, feel free.

But don't come asking for everyone's IP, and try to bullshit a good reason for it, just because you want to hack or ddos people that disagree with you.

Dumb idea. No soup for you.

000cccpcharm

I like it when they watch me punch my munchkin.

errihu

Publish IP addresses and virtually ensure that no whistleblower ever peeps to Voat. There are times where anonymity, or as close to it as we can get, are useful. IP is considered personal information up there with tax registration numbers in some jurisdictions (like the EU).

A better idea might be to have something that says the percentage of posts made from the same IP address for that user account, or percentage for the top 3, because people might be like me, on a mobile all the time. This gives you an idea of their posting habits without revealing the actual IP address. Even an automatically populated colored bar chart with 'IP #1, IP #2' percentage bars with all IPs for that account, without the actual IPs showing. That data, particularly in an easy graph form, provides useful information about posting habits without compromising people's safety.

ParrhesiaJoe

I would make it optional. I would display the IPs because Mossad and NSA already know them... And Goggle sells this information, as well. A whistleblower should be well advised to know that even if the IP doesn't get recorded and displayed on the server, it IS collected by NSA, so they should definitely go through TOR to blow the whistle on something.

Percentage of posts from Same IP is great... but I want them the Make the IP's available.

I like this because: 1. If you want to display your IP... that's fine. 2. If you want to hide your ip, and you think the fact that it isn't displayed keeps you safe, I want you to learn a bit. 3. If you really want to hide your identity, you HAVE to go through some sort of onion proxy. 3a. If you are a whistleblower and I get your ToR address of the post as 101.99.145.121, I can't do anything with it. I can only triangulate someone who is making a buttload of posts from the same location. I'd need 100-200 in a day to properly triangulate, so this is ONLY effective against vote farms. 3b. The people who run Voat shouldn't have to handle the forensics and investigation of such things. Users of Voat, armed with Excel and one or two trap proxies, can pinpoint the subversion without involving the administrators.

madmalloy

I use a VPN so the IP varies greatly.

ParrhesiaJoe

You're in the same subnet, though, right? Wouldn't they NAT your IP anyhow and make it semi-static to external sources?

arrggg

Hahaha! that was awesome...

The vpn is on the same subnet as what?

Can you even explain what NAT your IP means?

Define how you would make an ip "semi-static"...

ParrhesiaJoe

It's baffling that you couldn't decipher any of this. Do you do network stuff at all or did you just read a book once?

ParrhesiaJoe

Semi-Static is where you are assigned a dynamic by DHCP, but it is relatively static, even though you're not paying for a static IP from Comcast. Vpn on the same subnet as other vpn connections. If your proxy-out box is always on the 192.155.151.x subnet, that is useful. Nat your IP... mask your ip. It's not using your computer's IP to connect... It's using the Gateway of the VPN network, and that is usually natted.

madmalloy

I don't think Voat does that, yet.

kanin

NO (if i could make this 250p i would...), there are tons of things one can do with an IP, because you don't know any does not grant you the authorization to make such calls on behalf of others. Thank you.

Note: if you want to tell about vote manipulation, then ask for a hash of the ip, but please don't request everyone's ip to be up for grab, for fuck sake what is wrong with you?

ParrhesiaJoe

Anyone worth their salt would know that a hash of an ip is just as back traceable as the actual IP. Since there are only 2^32 possibilities, my computer could calculate EVERY hash in about 2 seconds. Your insults are childish. You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. No one with ANY experience would recommend a hash of a known fixed set.

The idea that I cannot get your IP is ludicrous. I'm recommending making it optional, anyways. If you want your ip shown, and tabulated as static, it gets tabulated as static. Just because you don't know how to secure a router (which is the fucking default from comcast) does not grant you the authorization to assume everyone else is a doofus.

Here's google's IP... GO NUTS! I'll expect them destroyed in the week. 74.125.239.50

Mumberthrax

This might be a good candidate for /v/ideasforvoat . ;)

COUSCOUS

This is definitely worth a consideration. basically, standing by something you state. It is what i was taught as a nipper, and what everyone should do.

ParrhesiaJoe

My favorite trick to nap someone's ip is to just send them to an article on a site I control. So go to http://blog.voxpopular.us/ and sign up for the beta!!! Your IP IS MINE if you go to that link.

arrggg

Your favorite trick...

So you admit you use IP's for malicious purposes. In the same thread you call for everyones IP to be shown, and claim that a default comcast router config is secure...

Go away mr wanna be hacker.

ParrhesiaJoe

I'm a white hat. I never use IP's for malicious purposes. I use IP's to triangulate vote brigades. Or, if you give me your ip and ask me to, I'll do a threat analysis for you. For a home computer, though, I'll almost always run up against the fact that 99% of routers don't come with a default "admin"/"password" any more... they also don't allow administration from the WAN, and they don't port forward... so Give me your IP, and I'll probably do a port scan and say, "No ports open"... because the default comcast router isn't stupid. I also collect IPs to study threat surfaces, because that is critical to my job. I also collect IP's occasionally to play pranks on other Hackers. Fun stuff.

I've done threat surface analysis on four major products covering a user base of 80-100million users. Microsoft Project, Microsoft SharePoint, Starbucks Card(tm) and StackOverflow(internal) for XBox support. In fact, the last 6 products I've made have required deep threat analysis... so.... what do you do? You some codemonkey from an insurance company or just a troll?

Why can't people ever say, "I'm a newb. I was talking out my ass."

COUSCOUS

lol!