pby1000

I thought Freemasonry was associated with the Jesuits.

JesusRules

Freemasons where the enemy to the Catholic Church, however things have changed.

"The black beast like a leopard indicates Freemasonry: the beast with the two horns like a lamb indicates Freemasonry infiltrated into the interior of the Church, that is to say, ecclesiastical Masonry, which has spread especially among the members of the hierarchy. This masonic infiltration, in the interior of the Church, was already foretold to you by me at Fatima, when I announced to you that Satan would enter in even to the summit of the Church. If the task of Masonry is to lead souls to perdition, bringing them to the worship of false divinities, the task of ecclesiastical Masonry on the other hand is that of destroying Christ and his Church, building a new idol, namely a false Christ and a false church.”

The seizure by Pope Gregory XVI of documents from the Masonic lodge known as „Alta Vendita.” The „Alta Vendita” documents chillingly summarizes a plan to infiltrate and destroy"

The Infiltration of the Catholic Church

https://informatiisimesaje.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/the-infiltration-of-the-catholic-church/

pby1000

Thank you for the information. I am trying to figure all of this out, and it is a lot of research.

There was an article recently about the Pope forcing Freemasons out of the Jesuits. LOL. But, I had also read that the Jesuits controlled the Freemasons. There are probably a lot of subtle connections that are difficult for the profane to figure out.

JesusRules

Jesuits are bad news too! It seems the Freemasons and Jesuits are now allies.

"It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773."

The Most Powerful Man In The World ? “The Black Pope” https://warningilluminati.wordpress.com/the-most-powerful-man-in-the-world-the-black-pope/

pby1000

One thing I heard is that there are certain Italian families that are at the top of the pyramid. Do you think so? Or, is the Black Pope the top of the top? It would make sense. The White Pope represents "Light" and the Black Pope represents "Darkness". Like the black and white tiles at a Mason lodge.

I will look at your link! Thanks!

JesusRules

I beleive the big names at the top of the Pyramid would be the "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" I just ordered the book by Fritz Springmeir. I have heard of Italian Florentine families being up there as well. I have also heard the Queen is at the top? Still digging..

pby1000

Understood. I heard the Queen has about $30-$35T, and she bows down to the Rothschilds. It would be interesting to know if the Rothschilds have more than the Vatican...

The digging never seems to end. LOL.

ScientiaPotentia

No, it's Sabbatean Frankism and Lurian Kabbala for gentiles and Henry Makow would probably agree, but that title makes a better headline.

9829157?

only thing matter from words of old fags is memory sigil magic. rest is the made up stuff from fakes . not real magic but think memory forward feel like magic for dummies.

start new fags

witchy_Woahman

useful idiots to what end? what do the lower level masons do for the upper level masons that makes them useful idiots?

englishwebster

EX mason here - I can vouch for this

JesusRules

What degree did you reach? did you learn Kabalah?

englishwebster

Just third (master mason). Thought about going into the scottish rite but after a few years of being there I already got a good idea of what it was about and did not want to get involved any further.

JesusRules

good.

englishwebster

indeed - feel better as a christian anyway. can confirm though - from a dictionary definition standpoint it is definitely a conspiracy...wealthy men in a room doing embarrassing things and then discussing business after the "meeting".

Muh-Shugana

At this point leftism itself is judaism for gentiles, goodness knows they lie constantly with no consistency and with intent to harm.

witchy_Woahman

Anyone can go to a Masonic lodge and join. There's no secret. Join one and you'll see for yourself

JesusRules

No Secret?

The obligation of a first degree Freemason (Entered Apprentice degree): “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.” The obligation of a second degree Freemason (Fellowcraft degree): “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given as a prey to the wild beasts of the field and the fowls of the air as a prey.” The obligation of a third degree Freemason (Master Mason degree): “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven, so that no more trace or remembrance may be had of so vile and perjured a wretch as I, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn obligation as a Master Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.”

witchy_Woahman

do you really believe that you consume the blood and flesh of Jesus at communion? it's a ritual. those words are symbolic.

JesusRules

From a high level Mason, Alister Crowley:

"The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony — thus, by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such a case a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin — the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. {95} For evocations it would be more convenient to place the blood of the victim in the Triangle — the idea being that the spirit might obtain from the blood this subtle but physical substance which was the quintessence of its life in such a manner as to enable it to take on a visible and tangible shape. "

https://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/manson/crowley-on-sacrifice/

witchy_Woahman

it's part of a ritual. you really think they adhere to those words today? even college fraternities have rituals that sound gruesome if some unenforced "code" is broken. freemasonry conspiracies are just creepypasta

JesusRules

Yes, fraternities like the Skull and Bones (Brotherhood of Death)

witchy_Woahman

even social fraternities, you can find their rituals online if you look for them. they all say stuff like under punishment of death, etc. for "revealing secrets". my uncle is a schizo and honestly, a lot of your talk resembles his paranoia.

go to a temple, talk to masons, even try joining. There is literally nothing holding you back from getting answers to the questions you have about freemasonry.

JesusRules

I am a Christian

"Albert Pike, 33-degree Freemason and author of Morals and Dogma

Lucifer, the Light-Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!iv

The devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.v

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is Yahweh (GOD) reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but a negation of God...the Kabala imagined Him to be a "most occult light."vi

That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.vii"

Lucifer is the god of Freemasonry http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Freemason_Lucifer_Albert_Pike

9827219?

And the OTO is Freemasonry for winos.