pray_the_gay_away

Incredible amount of shilling in this thread, there is clearly something fishy going on here.

Notice how the sound is loudest when she is closest to that lower window and starts to dissipate as she approaches the far side of the building where the accused shooter supposedly fired from.

Not to mention that some anon warned 4chan users about the attack the night before.

Sublimesati

And if it doesn't hit someone the ricochet has another opportunity.

tapsnapornap

It is with a bipod.

pby1000

Strobelight.

0fsgivin

If no windows are busted out of the 4th floor...Then no bullets left the 4th floor.

brightfuture4Merica

Do the hotel Windows not come down at all?

playitagainsam

Stayed in a high rise once. The windows crack open an inch or two at a weird angle. You could only hit the ground directly under you without shooting out the window.

0fsgivin

No I don't think so. Not at those hotels at least. Most high end motels ive been in either you got a balcony or nothing.

ScannerDarkly

The barrel and water make it impossible to shoot fish in a barrel full of water.

l_voated_today

Shoot down into an open barrel. I bullet will still go several feet through water.

shwanky

In the videos I've seen it sounds to me that there was more than one weapon being discharged. To me it sounded like two guns.

ShineShooter

2AM in Vegas baby!

DoomMantia

SHOTS FIRED

Greenzero86

From multiple locations?

ManDark87

I've been surprised that you don't see pictures of the bodies. 50 dead I feel like someone would have taken a picture of the ground. It just seems odd. In mass causality you triage the scene, so you would leave the dead to help the injured. It's just odd not to find.

ManDark87

Ok I will take back what I said. I just hadn't seen any at that point.

jewhatter

its deleted

common_sense

Try it now, sorry

Just_thinking

60 people dead 500 injured, I think this one was real.

Lets atleast explore all options.

SweetChicken

Listen to the original, it is quite easy to tell there are at least two shooters and possibly a third or more. https://archive.org/details/2218928519994360669520783046065512984346624N

EdSnowden

Definitely seemed more like a strobe than muzzle flash

pray_the_gay_away

Too slow to be a strobe. Also not consistent enough. The light moves as if someone is holding the light source.

tapsnapornap

Agreed, it flashes at a constant rate even when there is no gunfire.

d3r

In the other more far away video though, you can tell the light is not in sync.. it flashes randomly, unlike a strobe light. But I guess it could be a light in a club synced to music or something. https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2166391

KILLtheRATS

Shootin behind a blind. But I believe it could be a light to draw attention away?

o0shad0o

Okay. That wasn't a gun on the 4th floor.

How do I know? The video was taken from a much closer point to the building than the ones from the concert, so there'd be minimal delay between the flash and the sound it produces, so they'd be more or less in sync. Not only are they not in sync, but you see multiple flashes after the sound of the shots stops. If anything the flashes would stop before the sound of the shots.

Note that this might not be correct if the video and sound aren't in sync.

Damnpasswords

The video might have sound out of sync? Ever heard of it? Or worked with AV?

0fsgivin

No 4th floor windows are busted out...

BlowjaySimpson

Hard to tell if it is in sync or not, but that isn't the 32nd floor and it looks very legit.

canbot

Except that it doesn't look legit for the reasons just given.

Xax

It DOES look legit. Blind?

OhBlindOne

Blind?

Yeah. What's your point?

Xax

My point is that I'm impressed.

Grunge

ya the more I look at these 4th floor videos, I don't think it's that.

The windows, those things probably require a crane to install? Plus you see another bit of flashing lights on the far right of the building. I noticed that too, once the sound of the gun stopped, the light kept flashing.

It's vegas, there's tons of lights around. Could be a lot of things.

pray_the_gay_away

The other videos show that the flashes from the lower floor are very much in sync with the gunshot sounds.

Need a crane? You really aren't at liberty to make that assumption.

MaxVieuxlieu

The answer is definitely in the windows. The windows don't open wide enough to shoot through. If there was a shooter coming from a lower floor, the window would absolutely have to have bullet holes in it. It could absolutely just be a reflection especially with the lights that are everywhere across the street. I'm not buying it for proof of a second shooter.

WhiteRonin

Reflecting off 1 window only? ??

MaxVieuxlieu

Show me the bullet holes in the window and I'll be convinced there was a shooter there. If there's not bullet holes there was not shooting coming from that room. I don't have an explanation for what the flashing is but it can't be muzzle flashes coming from inside the room if there are no holes in the window.

WhiteRonin

The light was probably coming from inside the room rather than a reflection. Besides you should say the window was busted since there will be over all damage from multiple bullet holes.

Baconmon

100% NOT the 32nd floor.. We need answers, otherwise this looks like a false flag..
Also, do you have a link to the first video?.. Or any other videos that show stuff that doesn't match the official story?..

Synthicide

That building doesn't even have 32 floors... It's obvious whatever news outlets said "32nd floor" was mistaken.

Subtenko

What if these videos are a false flag? Note: I'm busy atm so I can't really research it much atm, just a possibility?

10679870?

even without photos;

consider the logic behind the headline; 500 injured, 50 dead.

  • 32 stories high, with an automatic weapon, randomly firing —some people have never fired a weapon before, let alone moving targets, let alone moving targets from hundreds of feet up, and away, on an angle—angry.

  • audio reveals the shots where contained within a single vicinity versus spray pattern, or on an angle of entry into anything—important (buildings, dirt, trash, debris—something was struck with bullets, right?). no one screams in agony from being hit, wounded, trampled, or left behind.

tippyc

You have an area the size of a city block, shoulder-to-shoulder full of people. Michael J Fox could have gotten kill shots.

and there is this video. Around the 1:23 mark you can hear a string of bullets strike metal and then a couple seconds later a woman.

10682909?

  • two distinct rounds of bullets can be heard.

a) an echo might occur with those building's architecture.

b) the gunman is aiming in an entirely different direction, and the echo is actually reverberation

c) two windows equal two gunman who couldn't sync their firing patterns

  • "i'm hurt" is all that could be made out. and it sounds like she was running and just panicked. A witness or victim should come forward and post the video, with all related information, including their injuries.

  • the first round of shots yield no reaction from the crowd. slow reaction can be complete biased here, since the video is shit, sound is shit, and thus "timing" can be misunderstood by all of us.

  • moving your finger just a few centimeters with an automatic weapon means hundreds of feet on the ground. draw a triangle from the window the field. and then imagine a tiny little man moving left and right with a gun, firing bullets at a rapid succession. If he doesn't move left or right, then the bullets should be concentrated in one area. If he does move left and right, he better be a highly trained sniper to make contact with that many victims, avoiding all debris or objects.

where is everyone's record of victims, blood, and bodies. 18 minutes of sitting down, huddled—like sitting ducks was the safest solution?

tippyc

I found it strange also how the crowd didnt seem to react to the first volley. The band was offstage within a couple seconds though. Almost makes me wonder if the band was in on this too. I havent seen any clear videos from inside the crowd though, everything ive seen has been from the perimeter, or just covers the aftermath.

The_1

exactly, and recognize how LONG the firing occurred.

waited for the audience or team to recognize cues.

but again, as you mentioned, video hasn't surfaced showing inside action.

SweetChicken

Here's the original full length vid. You can tell there are multiple shooters. She even comments about the muzzle flashes in the front. I think these nay Sayers are either shills or suffer from cog diss. https://archive.org/details/2218928519994360669520783046065512984346624N

Damnpasswords

"Audio and video never go out of sync!"

KikeFree

In this video you can hear initial shots up close and their echo, then much later you can hear other shots further away. Absolutely more than one shooter and at different locations.

Sublimesati

Maybe not. The two broken windows looked to be on on each corner of the hotel room. Maybe he fired out of say the South window which sounded really loud and then he fired out of the West window which sounded muffled and far away because now the hotel was between the gunfire and the cab. Although I will say it sounded pretty darn distinct, each volley of shots that is.

KikeFree

Do you think he could run there and get positioned in 60s?

Sublimesati

The windows were both in the same room just maybe 30 feet apart. I think he could walk from 1 window to the other and reload or switch guns,maybe he had all 10 guns ready to fire and set 5 at each window. Then he just walked back and forth from window to window weapon to weapon. But yeah, 60 seconds no problem.

KikeFree

I thought the broken windows were further apart, but images show you are right. However, I don't think the angle difference is enough to muffle the shots as much as they were in the audio.

Sublimesati

Yeah. Hard to imagine that much difference in sound but the story is crazy enough as it is. I'm glad people are on the look out for "more" but I'll take the story at face value for now. We'll see what kind of BS laws are proposed and that will provide another clue.

Grunge

One possibility that came to my mind, could the shooter have used curtains to hide the flash? Like, aim the gun on a stand pointing out of the window and leaving it there steady and then close curtains and shoot through the curtain?

JohnGoodman

Answers we will of course, never get.

10679653?

Couple good ones in this sub.

Sublimesati

Love how the taxi lady cruises to the scene knowing she'll get an automatic fare. Crafty bitch.

Rellik88

HOLY SHEET! I swear I saw flashes around the bottom in other videos!

fartyshorts

All these videos are always such low quality. Don't people have smartphones with HD capability?

l_voated_today

Cellphones suck in the dark.