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Its_Just_A_Ride

Ive got the vibe that he is the real shooter, probably an intelligence agent, and they used that opertunity to burn him. Think about the guys back story: makes his money with "real estate," gambling enthusiast, family sees/hears almost nothing of him for extended times... a squeaky clean cover.

Also, why pull two windows? Sounds like there might have been another person in the room, and they were in charge of cleanup.

unabashed_centrist

Up to 23 now, eh?

How fucking hard is it to count less than two dozen guns?

RoBatten

If they don't do ballistic tests, then we know for sure that multiple shooters were present . . .

SubspaceDistortion

It seems to me that the story is about set in stone at this point.

KILLtheRATS

I seem think this guy happened to occupy a room the assassin's wanted.

clamhurt_legbeard

Oh I see, you're Australian.

No wonder you're so ignorant about guns. You've never even held one in your life.

clamhurt_legbeard

Pretty simple question you keep evading.

So what you're saying is your a anti-gun shill using buzzwords you don't understand? Good to know.

You should go back to reddit.

clamhurt_legbeard

You used the term "high-powered rifle" without defining it. Now you've linked to something that doesn't even mention the term.

Do YOU not even know what you even mean? I'll ask again:

What are you trying to say with the term "high-powered rifle", and how does that differ from a regular rifle?

Str8Dope

It generally refers to the ammo used. In this case .308 could be considered a high power round. As opposed to something like a .22 or even a .40 since generally .40 and .45 is not used in rifles because it doesn't have desirable ballistic characteristics for long range engagement.

clamhurt_legbeard

So, in your opinion, by "high-powered rifle", OP meant "a rifle that doesn't shoot .22lr or pistol rounds"?

That's just a regular rifle. By your definition, almost all rifles are "high-powered rifles", making the distinction meaningless.

Thin_White_Duke

Watch out for those .270s

Especially the ones with a high powered scope...

Str8Dope

Just trying to clarify what I believe was meant. I don't use the term. I call them my boomsticks.

clamhurt_legbeard

Yeah, I figured it out. Check the rest of the posts he made. He's Australian, doesn't know anything about guns at all. Just likes gun control.

Str8Dope

Well that is logical because gun control clearly works.

Australia was a prison colony. Don't expect the best and brightest.

WEHRMACHT_BITCHES_AT

'It's a small town but there's a lot of retired cops, former military guys, ex government spooks . They're all carrying.

BB-3

I swear this is a line from a movie or something but my search came up empty. It sounds like something I've heard before, and recently too.

clamhurt_legbeard

Can you explain the difference between your "high-powered rifle" and a regular rifle?

L3D

I would classify .308 as normal rifle caliber, and high powered rifles are magnums: 7mm rem mag, .338 win mag, .300 win mag, .338 Lapua magnum.

  • .308 has about 3500 J of energy
  • 7mm rem mag has 4100 J
  • .338 win mag 5200 J
  • .300 win mag 5300 J
  • .338 Lapua mag 6600 J

tippyc

To put that in ft-lb like a normal American (with a few common handgun rounds for comparison):

  • .22 LR: 200 ft-lb
  • 9mm Luger: 400 ft-lb (also: uzi)
  • .45 ACP: 500 ft-lb (also: tommy gun)
  • .357 mag: 700 ft-lb
  • .44 mag: 1,000 ft-lb
  • .223 rem: 1,400 ft-lb
  • .30-30 win: 1,900 ft-lb
  • .308: 2,600 ft-lb
  • .30-06: 2,900 ft-lb
  • .45-70 Gov't: ~3,000 ft-lb (very large variance)
  • 7mm rem mag: 3,100 ft-lb
  • .300 win mag: 3,700 ft-lb
  • .338 Lupua: 4,900 ft-lb
  • .50 BMG: 18,000 ft-lb

Where do you draw the "high-power" line? Personally i would say .223 and .308 are normal power because they are the standard operating rounds of infantry around the world. Anything bigger than .308 is high power. That's very subjective though, and i'm also not aware of any actual legal definition.

clamhurt_legbeard

So you're saying OP miscategorized the rifle he was trying to talk about.

Paddock bought a Ruger American in .308, which wouldn't be a "high-powered rifle" at all.

L3D

I wouldn't blame OP, Daily Mail calls .308 as high powered calibre in the article.