raglan43

The Bible. The template of fake news.

VandalayIndustries

I love reading this book. Have gone to it often over the years.

freeenergyguy

Wisdom is Sophia. A goddess consort to yeshua

JesusRules

Thats what Gnostics beleive

YouveSeenTheButcher

Wisdom is anthropomorphized as a female because you're supposed to be intimate with it.

Antiseed117

Probably had Something to do with Enoch seeing "a great firey wheel in the sky." the church said Fuck that, sounds too much like ET's. Can't having the slaves know their orgins run deep with royal blood.

freeenergyguy

Yeshua was picked up in a cloud at the end of his earthly mission. In the pistis Sophia gnostic gospel, this cloud was much more like a UFO abduction. A great light shone and Jesus emerged and the disciples were very fearful. Seems like aliens and earth humans go way back. Shame we haven't been worthy of contact just yet

Xax

The OP’s title is anachronistic and inaccurate. The Council of Carthage in 397 is where the bishops assembled the canon of the Bible.

1,120 years later. Let me repeat. One-thousand, one hundred and twenty years later, “Reformers” banned books from the original canon. There’s your banning.

The Catholic Church is solely responsible for this canon, aka, the Bible. It made its decision by discerning what books are divinely inspired. That’s the measure people use today when they put belief into what’s in the Bible: it’s God’s word.

Since the Catholic Church is the entity that put together said canon, it has no interest in banning any books. It only included books which were seen to be divinely inspired.

hangry

It is interesting to ask someone outside of the Catholic/Orthodox tradition how they know what books belong IN the Bible. They likely have never considered the fact that the Table of Contents in a Bible is not divinely inspired, and they struggle to admit and often won't admit that they are relying on Holy Tradition for which books are included and which are excluded. The Bible is part of the Tradition of the Church.

hangry

The Book of Enoch was never included in the canon that predates Christianity. It is not in the Hebrew canon, or the Septuagint. It was not even included in the Deuterocanonical books, i. e. "The Apocrypha." It was never recognized by the Church as canonical. It was not unknown, and there are a few references to it in the New Testament. That being said, the fact that it was never considered Holy Writ and it was known and quoted, it is hard to figure how it could have been "banned." And a reference to the "roman catholic church" in reference to the formation of the scriptures, is anachronistic.

ardvarcus

So why do you suppose that the bishops of the Roman Church refused to grant the Book of Enoch sacred status? Any ideas?

hangry

For one thing, that's not how the process worked. There was no refusal to grant anything. Books were not considered inspired by God because of some "grant" by the Roman church, or by any church. For another, when the canonical books of the NT were recognized, the Church was one, not divided into West (Roman) and East (Greek). And lastly, the Book of Enoch was never considered Holy Scripture, not by the Jews, nor by the Christians.

freeenergyguy

The romans destroyed this wisdom wherever they found it. They then made their own version after they burned all the libraries such as alexandria

JesusRules

Destroyed the Gnostics scrolls, they didn't get the Dead Sea scrolls obviously

hangry

Wait...the Book of Enoch was destroyed or it was banned? Which? And made their own version of what after the Alexandrian library burned in 48 BC?

freeenergyguy

The point I'm making is that there is a lost wisdom. The war against this wisdom was spearheaded by the romans including the catholic church. Christianity is a severely altered religion. The original Christian beliefs were burned in Alexandria by the romans under Julius Caesar and again by the Muslim emir kaliph.

Then the dark ages began.

The ancient wisdom is resurfacing

pby1000

I wonder what is in the Vatican Library?

JesusRules

Romans combines Pagan sun and Saturn worship with Christainty to attract the Pagans and Christans apostate religion

hangry

You do realize the absurdity of claiming that Christian beliefs were burned 50 years before the birth of Christ?

freeenergyguy

Christianity originated as an Egyptian doctrine. Yeshua was an awaited messiah to many peoples. Egyptian Coptic religion and Christianity are one

hangry

You don't answer the questions asked, which is telling. Enjoy the delusions.

pby1000

The Egyptian Doctrines were hidden, altered, or destroyed. The story of Jesus is based on these Doctrines.

hangry

And your documentation for this is what, youtube?

pby1000

LOL. It is just what I have read about the manuscripts that made it into the Bible, for example. Some were destroyed and others were altered to remove information not mean for the human cattle.

Are you familiar with the Nag Hammadi Library? This story below should sound familiar to you, but it has a totally different take. I seriously doubt they would want this story in the King James Bible.

The Reality of the Rulers (The Hypostasis of the Archons)

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Hypostas-Barnstone.html

hangry

So you are a Gnostic and not a Christian. Your choice, of course, but not at all convincing to a Christian.

pby1000

I am an Atheist, but I have been doing a lot of research on esoteric knowledge the past year or so. I am very, very Secular, though, and I have a lot of Christian friends.

Which version of the Bible do you prefer? Have you researched how that particular version came into being?

Regarding the Nag Hammadi library, it occurs to me that the "rulers" and "authorities" have a motivation to prevent such manuscripts from becoming well known. That way, it is much easier to control the human cattle.

Also, the "rulers" and "authorities" will not tolerate someone like Jesus stirring things up. I believe that the people who rule the world today are descended from the people that Jesus rose up against. The people who rule the world today are Satanic pedophiles, and these types of people have always ruled.

hangry

I prefer English translations of the Septuagint for the OT and the Holy Apostles Convent English translation of the NT. And yes, I know the history of Bible translations.

WhiteRonin

You shpild look into Enki and Enlil.

Peacefully caring Lord of the Biblet. Also the gover of the forbidden fruit.= Enki

The demon killing and mass murder God = Enlil

freeenergyguy

I'm very familiar with yah and enlil. Enlil is Saturn. Satan. Unfortunately, enkis son Marduk is another devil.

The beast of Babylon is Marduk. The god of the chosenites is enlil elohim. The whore of Babylon is Ishtar granddaughter of enlil.

The Madonna painting is of Ishtar. Mystery Babylon the great is the Vatican. Their virgin Mary is Ishtar. Columbia. Aphrodite. Et al

WhiteRonin

You know more than I do. When I First came across these 2, my problems with the Bible cleared up. It just made sense that 2 Gods were running amok instead of 1 asshole.

freeenergyguy

Chapter 7

1It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).

3Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;

4And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.

5But they answered him and said; We all swear;

6And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.

7Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, (4) which is the top of mount Armon.

(4) Upon Ardis. Or, "in the days of Jared" (R.H. Charles, ed. and trans., The Book of Enoch [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1893], p. 63).

8That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.

(5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).

9These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. (6)

(6) The Aramaic texts preserve an earlier list of names of these Watchers: Semihazah; Artqoph; Ramtel; Kokabel; Ramel; Danieal; Zeqiel; Baraqel; Asael; Hermoni; Matarel; Ananel; Stawel; Samsiel; Sahriel; Tummiel; Turiel; Yomiel; Yhaddiel (Milik, p. 151).

10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

(7) The Greek texts vary considerably from the Ethiopic text here. One Greek manuscript adds to this section, "And they [the women] bore to them [the Watchers] three races–first, the great giants. The giants brought forth [some say "slew"] the Naphelim, and the Naphelim brought forth [or "slew"] the Elioud. And they existed, increasing in power according to their greatness." See the account in the Book of Jubilees.

12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

13When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;

14And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, (8) and to drink their blood.

(8) Their flesh one after another. Or, "one another’s flesh." R.H. Charles notes that this phrase may refer to the destruction of one class of giants by another (Charles, p. 65).

15Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.

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scabs_galore

tl;dr anyone?

Featherfall

I've heard this quoted in bits before, thank you for posting.

JesusRules

Any idea why?

freeenergyguy

The cathokic church has never been the church of Christ. From the beginning, there has been a plot to subvert christian doctrine by the roman elite and the pharisees. Christianity was a philosophy that made men see their fellow men as brothers and sisters. Roman and Judaic depravity and demon worship would not work. So they fused roman mystery religion with christian history and created mystery Babylon the great. The Vatican.

The council of nicea is where all this transpired. Thanks for commenting.

JesusRules

Thanks, I will read the Book of Enoch

freeenergyguy

Yeshua was killed for heresy. The Judaic god is not the christian god. The Judaic god is Baal.

JesusRules

Supposedly the God of the JEws was YHVH, at least thetas what Abraham and Moses was trying to teach the kikes, however the did as everyone else was doing at the time witch was worshiping Baal, Molech, Saturn, Chronos aka Satan