GhostPantsMcGee

Barring the population control aspect, is there really anything you disagree with on these stones?

IIJOSEPHXII

The Georgia Guidestones were erected about a decade after MITs Limits to Growth study, which stated that the World's population falls to about 500m simply as a result of the end of the oil age.

What I think the people who erected the stones are thinking is that if the population is going to fall that far then it's going to be our offspring that will be amongst the survivors.

It's just an attempt at scaring the public in my opinion.

thoht

Extremely interesting. It is also possible that someone with a lot of resources (time and money) might have erected the monument merely for amusement.

heuristic

possible? yes. likely? no. go home.

thoht

I am home. Anyway, what makes it objectively unlikely? Wealthy people do all sorts of expensive things for mere show and entertainment, from owning expensive Prada shoes and Coach bags (and designing them, to begin with), to getting season passes to the Performing Arts and going on expensive trips drinking $2000 bottles of wine that objectively taste no different than a $20-$200 bottle, etc. In that light, why would it be improbable for there to be a few wealthy intellectualoids who indulge into what mainstream uniformitarian thinking considers "conspiracy theories" simply for amusement...?

jesus_is_lord

the real secret is... wait for it...

Jesus died for your sins

heuristic

jesus was a fag

thoht

This might as well be true, with John being "the most beloved apostle", and so close to him, etc., and Jesus never having gotten married (as far as the Biblical account goes), which would be extremely aberrant and unusual for a jewish carpenter of that time. But so what if Jesus might have been a homosexual? Are you simply stating this hypothesis without any particular purpose?

jesus_is_lord

prove it

heuristic

prove Jesus was real 😂😂

jesus_is_lord

you already implied he was, therefore he is real in your mind, i think you're just confused and ignorant

thoht

What sins...?

jesus_is_lord

you tell me

thoht

I'm not even sure I understand the Judeo-Christian concept of "sin", other than an action that is against your nature, and which distances you from God. As such, it seems to be extremely subjective, though (which in a way is rational and good). Going against our nature, however, implies we understand our nature fully, which a psychologist might tell you is near impossible. To further complicate the matter, we are every changing and evolving -thus, our nature changes. Second, if we <<are>> god(s) (if God is <<everything>> and <<all>>, it follows that we are "bits of God"), it would seem impossible for ANYTHING to ever bring us away from God, making it therefore impossible to sin, at least according to the definition above. Furthermore, I've never fully understood why Jesus' death was necessary or even "good". The better angle of the story I've heard is that without dying, he could have not resurrected; and his resurrection showed humanity that death can be conquered and overcome. However, this was already clear from the resurrection of Lazarus, and could have been shown through the resurrection of other people who died (people die all the time). Anyway, the whole "dying for your sins" rhetoric makes little to no sense to me as it seems to serve no reasonable practical purpose. On another note, Harvard scholars have put forth alternative theories based on historical evidence that Jesus was simply a zealous jew, a rebel against the Roman Empire, who was crucified by the romans because of his insurgent zeal (this makes sense, from a historical point of view).

GhostPantsMcGee

What if God's purpose in dividing himself from oneness was to cleanse himself of evil? In Christian dogma good souls are to return to God for eternity while evil souls are to die the second death in the lake of fire (no eternal torment, just spiritual death).

thoht

I don't understand the <<division from oneness>> you propose. Evil is no more than a subjective concept, depending on the values and purposes of those who use the concept.

jesus_is_lord

Jesus is the Son of God first and foremost, He is also an Israelite, not so much a Jew because Jews reject Him, but He came to save everyone, including you

thoht

Uh, none? You're the one claiming he died for "your" (my/their) sins. I'm curious to know what you think those are/were, since you're making such a bold claim.

jesus_is_lord

God knows, so do you... i don't need to

thoht

So you're basically admitting that you're putting out statements in regards to things you know nothing about? That is, you are stating "Jesus died for your sins", and yet you don't know anything about said sins? This implies the sins might as well be non-existent, and the sentence altogether false: Jesus didn't die for any sins, since the sins themselves cannot seem to be delineated to begin with.

jesus_is_lord

yes He died for your Sins, and the Sins of everyone, Sins can easily be "delineated" if you want to "delineate" them, but you have to study first before you can "delineate" them, without study you just have and empty head full of opinions that don't mean anything

thoht

You're speaking in generalities. It's difficult to conceive of a loving God being so perverse as to enforce upon his creation the burden of specialized study of obscure, ancient texts. Rather, "But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD. I will place my law within them, and write it upon their hearts; I will be their God, and they shall be my people" (Jer 31:33). Also, "For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus." (Rom 2:14-16). When it comes to <<sinning>>, I contest your assertion that "without study (of religious books, I suppose) you just have an empty head full of opinions that don't mean anything". I do agree, nonetheless, that the study of philosophy, literature, and history, can help to develop such internal morality the Bible speaketh of.

jesus_is_lord

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

thoht

So is it or is it not true that <<the law>> is inscribed "within our hearts", such that everyone knows right from wrong, seemingly by default?

heuristic

your god is fake. fuck him and fuck Jesus. you're brainwashed and its fucking sad.

jesus_is_lord

sounds like you're a satanist

ardvarcus

You want to know what the real secret is? They don't matter! They are unimportant.

heuristic

you seem to think you know about them. why don't you explain why they don't matter, unless of course you are talking out your ass, which I believe you are. go back to reddit