Cigarette5mokingman

Anyone who says no one was shot is either a troll, shill, or seriously mentally ill.

Rocky Palermo's gunshot wound: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mz4Ua-e1szo

And before all of you crazies crucify me and say he's a crisis actor or a paid shill, he has already gone on record stating he believes there were multiple shooters. So if he's there to further along the mainstream narrative, he's sure is doing it wrong.

Cigarette5mokingman

That's not what that means. Logic is flawed. You're not accounting for richochet, and bullets hitting multiple people.

sunshine702

I honestly sensed something was coming when the Clowns In America didn't get their -Nazi's killed a woman in Charlottesville spookfest. To me Vegas was an act of WAR.

HarveyKlinger

I'll check out the video. Thanks!

RampancyLambentRaven

I Can't Wait Until Hollywood Makes This Massacre Into A Movie! Rated R! I'm Just Saiyan!

cosmic_climb

Why didn't Paddock get a suppressor? The MSM paint him as a man angry, murderous, who didn't want to be confronted. If he can procure all those exotic weapons, why couldn't he find a suppressor so he could kill and not have his position revealed so quickly?

aileron_ron

If they said that's what happen then it happen. Why would you think state and government agency's would lie to you.

(sarcasm)

sunshine702

Will never vote for you Lombardo. The nasty tone you have with the pubic asking reasonable questions says it ALL. Oh and I will use a PAPER ballot to vote for anyone but you!

pauly_pants

Wew, lads. They know most of us are stupid enough to believe this too. Oddly enough I haven't spoken to anyone in real life who trusts the official story here.

Its_Just_A_Ride

I had a reasonable-but-bulepilled family member call me a few days after the shooting trying to make sense of the story. I have the conspiracy theorist reputation around my family, but its pretty rare that they actually seek my input on something like a terrorist attack.

I took that to mean that something about this stinks far more than usual, and I wasn't just seeing it because I was looking for it.

Derpfroot

This is some holocaust math we're dealing with here.

dooob

Reference spot on.

Optional-Reading

Maybe 1,100 rounds from the 32nd floor. How many fired at the ground level? Casings should have been found at ground level as well.

HarveyKlinger

For there to be casings on the ground there would have been visible muzzle flash coming from the window. With zero muzzle flash that means he would have had to stand pretty far back from the window and all of the casings would be inside the room.

CrimsonFuckr

totally possible. but not for 1 guy.

Melissus

Its more likely that there was a firefight on the saudi upper floors and everything else,even Paddock is a show to cover the firefight.

bigoak9

this narrative stinks to high heaven , just tell the fucking truth for once

HarveyKlinger

I've watched most of the amateur footage and I haven't seen any.

Oh_Well_ian

Should be easy to find, right ? I've spent hours scouring YT for evidence. ZERO.

B3bomber

I said it during the event, don't fucking post it to YT, they actively deleted footage loaded there. Try looking on hooktube where backups were being sent.

Thegreatestname

500 people injured doesn't mean 500 people shot.

Cigarette5mokingman

it also doesn't account for ricochet.

Oh_Well_ian

LOL not a single video exists of any concert goer being struck by gunfire or trampled by the crowd

Derpfroot

Liveleak has one. It's called "Vegas Shooting Concert Site (Dead Bodies)"

Oh_Well_ian

lol yeah.. and it's hysterically fake as fuck

Thegreatestname

Not true, you can see one guy get shot fall down and never move again, there are even some still shots of him in the same position he fell in.

Oh_Well_ian

send the link -- we are talking about impacts here, not someone faking or acting

remember, over 500 wounded and 58 killed... there should be HUNDREDS of videos

RoundWheel

There were many videos. The government obtained and destroyed many.

White-Supremacist

Asking for proof, not anecdotes or hollow claims.

RoundWheel

Extract your arrogant and ignorant head from your ass. There were endless accounts of people stating they had video but law enforcement copied the videos and destroyed their copy. Articles were written on the topic. There are tons of videos which have been stolen from law enforcement.

Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.

White-Supremacist

https://youtu.be/cndOsUE8yi4?t=562 This is a video of a girl who was shot through the shoulder and then into her lungs. No breathing issues, no arm movement problems in the least. The is some of the closest stuff I can find to proving anyone was really injured, but it's clearly a lie. I've seen lots of videos like these, they all have inconsistencies that just toss everything into question.

MinorLeakage

While I don't actually disagree with you, this is still anecdotal and not proof. I doubt we'll ever have any actual proof, so it's a fairly moot point either way.

HarveyKlinger

I used to run with that theory as well because you assume people got trampled or fell and got hurt or whatever but I keep reading news reports that "He killed almost 60 and shot almost 500." So I use their numbers now.

I don't disagree with you though.

1764_sugar_act

That means at over 1200' away every other bullet hit someone...

So you acknowledge this isn't true yet you post this bullshit anyway?

So I use their numbers now.

Why in the world would you take something a presstitute said as valuable? It has no value, it is only meant for propaganda purposes. You certainly can't use it as a premise for an argument.

Honestly, I would delete this post. It does nothing to further discussion and only makes Voat look bad. Just my 2 cents.

HarveyKlinger

Maybe you're unfamiliar with what a conspiracy is? Showing how all of their information doesn't make sense is part of what makes it a conspiracy... which is why I posted it in v/conspiracy and not v/news .

1764_sugar_act

I guess I'm just saying that no one who is reputable in the slightest has said that five hundred people were shot. Only dumb presstitutes.

I'm more concerned with all the holes in the story as presented by our FBI because of their authority on the matter.

Like the other poster said, this is akin to when a dumb whore of a presstitute calls an AK a glock. I wouldn't then go and say "See! It is a conspiracy because he had an AK!" No, she is just being a dumb whore doing her job.

I guess a point we might both agree on is that no jew is going to stop and correct these presstitutes when they make mistakes that are beneficial to the agenda, such as falsely claiming that five hundred plus people were shot.

HarveyKlinger

We're on the same page. I prefer to use THEIR words to show how stupid they are as opposed to correcting their misinformation for them. I need to see if I can find the article I read last night. It was kind of hilarious. It talked about all of the scopes he had piled up in his room then explained later that he didn't need any scopes to spray.

But here's a fun one: https://nypost.com/2017/10/03/the-tricked-out-guns-las-vegas-shooter-used-in-massacre/

“All the guns he had were very expensive, from $5,000 to $10,000 each, which is a lot of money for a gun,” a law enforcement source told The Post. All of the rifles were “high end” and typically used by people in law enforcement professions, the source added.

But earlier in the article it states:

The high-powered weapons also included a .308-caliber AR-10 rifle and an AK-47-type rifle — as well as four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer, according to reports.

Yah, um... I own a Daniel Defense AR-15. It cost me about $1000 new a few months ago. But the article does state there were only 2 bump stocks (while other articles say 11 or 13).

Thegreatestname

The news used to always call rifles used in crimes ak-47's and pistols glocks. Inaccuracy is just the way of the media, it's about selling a point, not perfect accurate information distribution to the public.

And your example. "killed 58 people and injured more than 500" they say injured not shot. Even the killed 58 people someone might of had a heart attack and died caused by the shooting.

Even if 500 people were shot ~50% accuracy into a mass of flesh the size of a city block isn't that spectacular. Early audio analysis done by 4chan came up with the guy shooting about 1500shots. So figure 33% accuracy and likely it was much higher than that because people were likely hit more than once.

So I fail to see how this is anything other than a distraction from the real shady shit that is being covered up. Things like why did he rent a car when he owned one, what was his motive, and how did he earn a living.

HarveyKlinger

The only thing I disagree with in your response is that there was a mass of flesh. The venue was about 1/3 full at that time. The numbers given were TOTAL for the entire festival.

Cheesebooger

Still waiting for all of the HDCCTV footage. There's more cameras in Vegas than anywhere else! Fucking jews

ravensedgesom

Jews like chertoff and adelson and trying to profit of this false flag drill through OSI security technology which they are both connected to.

sunshine702

Thank you John -4chan anon. We are on to them!

ravensedgesom

just pointing out this for people don't know why you need to be a prick

sunshine702

I am not being a prick to you. No I am thanking the 4chan poster who signed his message with John giving us this info on 9.10.2017.

ravensedgesom

apologies I thought for some reason you were taking a sarcastic jab at the well publicized information. Misread the comment.

ravensedgesom

Department of Homeland security seems to be heavily involved

Kregan

@Cheesebooger- Even if there were some truth to MGM "NOT" showing Paddock loading the guns/luggage because of insurance liability. There would have to be some other video showing something of significance and the fact that there is NOTHING whatsoever is beyond strange!!!

sunshine702

There are absolutely camera footage of him checking in, playing his video poker machi.e and paying hos $80,000 marker at the casino cage. Yes two months out to not have any footage or ballistics is fucking hogwash!!

HarveyKlinger

Yep. I have a cop buddy who's federal. He said that the top floor or two of that hotel was occupied by high rolling Saudis. I want to see the footage of who goes in and out of his room for the entire time he was checked in. Odd that they haven't shown it by now to prove to everyone he was the lone shooter.

WAY too many people just believe what they first hear and move on with their lives.

sunshine702

Sadly Mandalay does NOT have hallway cameras :( But there should be at least gambling and check in footage.

HarveyKlinger

Good to know. First I've heard this. The only footage then will be what Paddock recorded of himself. Supposedly he had a camera on himself the entire time he was shooting and they have the video.

ravensedgesom

more evidence of fakery I mean its been fucking weeks and they still don't have a believable story. No wonder they suddenly curtailed any coverage of LV details.

Oh_Well_ian

far more effort was put into collecting money for 'victims' than seeking JUSTICE for them

ravensedgesom

interesting how that works isn't it?

Othmar_Regin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw (ULTIMATE AR-15 MELTDOWN) - took about 5min to break an AR-15 with full auto so he would have to have used 3 guns minimum

HarveyKlinger

He wasn't shooting that fast. He also wasn't reloading that fast. The barrel of his guns wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that hot. I can shoot all day at the rate he shot and not worry about burning up an AR15. He only NEEDED one AR15 to do what he supposedly did. I suppose if I were him I'd have brought a couple spares in case of a malfunction but he didn't NEED to have 3 at a minimum. He could have very easily done it all with 1.

0fsgivin

I'm actually suprised that AR stood up to that. It's not meant to be fired like that and even in combat your not gunna shoot an AR like shit. You'd have to have a seperate pack full of magazines.

ravensedgesom

all with shitty bumpfire

Othmar_Regin

He clearly did not have a tactical vest or any tactical clothes, so the only way for him to swap mags was from a table or the floor and he had next to zero training with guns so even reloading a mag would take him like 5sec(swap mag realign shot) *40mags = 200sec or 3.5min for 1200 rounds(30 each) would take 1/3 of the alleged 10min of shooting

HarveyKlinger

I'm not sure about the zero training. If he truly used bump stocks, he had years of experience with them because I have not seen a single youtube video of anyone shooting them with consistency or regularity. He managed to shoot them all perfectly... which is physically impossible. Bump stocks suck and you usually can only get small bursts with one before it stops shooting. According to police, he'd been buying guns for over a decade so I'm sure he'd been shooting for as long.

I'm not saying you can't shoot 1100 rounds in 9 minutes. I could do it without a bump stock, reloading mags from a table as he did. I'm saying he ONLY shot 1100 rounds and had such amazing fucking accuracy. And if he shot 1100 rounds, why wasn't there 1100 shell casings? Or even 100 shell casings?

Here's a video of a guy shooting a stationary target 1200 yards away. He couldn't hit it 50% of the time shooting slowly and methodically. I won't even get into the fact that after 1000 yards the .223 doesn't have enough velocity to kill someone... ESPECIALLY with store bought ammo. I'm definitely not getting into the fact that there was enough wind that night at that elevation that the bullet would be tumbling after about 1/2 that distance.

Oh_Well_ian

more like 65% accuracy according to the LVPD

HarveyKlinger

That's a pretty damn good shot for a slip and fall victim who was known to be a human trip hazard.

l_voated_today

He could have used coffin magazines or some such, not that there aren't still big holes in the official story, just saying.

HarveyKlinger

Those mags look unused and we've already seen the picture of the table with loaded unused mags on it. It doesn't make sense that he'd simply quit shooting unless he accomplished his goal... whatever that was.

Interesting that he'd use a bipod without having something to rest it on... I guess he just wanted it to look more menacing when they found it later.

Hmmm... that AR on the right does not have a bump stock. The one on the left MIGHT but it doesn't look like it. It's hard to tell if the stock is connected to the grip.

bigoak9

it looks like a bump stock on the left,the grip protrudes over the trigger well

HarveyKlinger

Agreed. I found a better picture of it and it definitely is.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/gun-main.jpg

Its_Just_A_Ride

The rifle on the right doesn't look like it has one though. It wouldn't make must sense to put a fixed bipod on a rifle with a bump stock.

On a side note, where are the high-res crime scene photos coming from? I find that just a suspicious as the rest of the inconsistencies.

bigoak9

if u were in a crowd shooting from the hip maybe i could see a bump stock maybe half way working , they are more of a range toy than anything

HarveyKlinger

TOTALLY agreed. I've used them before. It was fun for like 5 minutes.

bigoak9

if he was truly alone and used what gear they have claimed and with no specialized training, i just dont see it myself

l_voated_today

Maybe the one on the right was the one allegedly used to shoot the fuel tanks?

HarveyKlinger

That's a good point. If that's the case he's dumber than I thought. He actually sat and did the math (supposedly) for wind, trajectory, MOA, etc but wasn't smart enough to know that .223 ammo at 1600 yards wouldn't penetrate a fuel tank? He was clearly rich enough for a 300 blackout or even a 50 cal. BOTH would have done the trick.

l_voated_today

You can tell from the photo its not an AR-10?

HarveyKlinger

Nope. I can't. And I found a different article that states:

The high-powered weapons also included a .308-caliber AR-10 rifle and an AK-47-type rifle — as well as four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer, according to reports.

So he had one. I thought the bullet found at the tank was determined to be .223. I'll dig for that article.

The article also had a better picture of the gun on the left. It's definitely a bump stock.

crashing_this_thread

Jeez, they really are making a lot of mistakes.

JonReeeeed

honestly, from the get go i simply believed they didn't have the information nor personnel capable of properly evaluating the situation

Jimmycog

I saw the Picts of that room there were not 1000 casings in that area.

Cigarette5mokingman

This is very concerning. His leg was also under the rifle. Chair was still in same spot in front of window in 32135. And there is some strange bag of the left hand of the body found in 32135.

Jimmycog

And all of the camera videos that didn't get reported.

HarveyKlinger

That was the first thing I noticed. He supposedly stood so far back there wasn't one hint of muzzle flash outside of the room. Where the fuck was all the brass? There should have been piles of it. And even a gun owner with little experience knows you don't need more than a couple rifles to what he supposedly did.

More than 200 of those rounds were in the hallway which leaves ~900 at the ground (and fuel tanks). That's better than 50% accuracy at moving targets in a sparsely populated huge space using an uncontrollable bump stock at over 1200 yards WITH WIND. No fucking way.

pauly_pants

1200 feet . The ' is used to denote feet in the imperial measurement system.

HarveyKlinger

Which is why I used it. And had it been inches I'd have written 1200".

pauly_pants

Ahhh, clearly a typo then. Your second to the last sentence says "...uncontrollable bump stock at over 1200 yards WITH WIND". Clearly the story is fucked though.

HarveyKlinger

Yep. I fucked up. Meant to type 1200 feet. But thanks for keeping me honest. :)

0fsgivin

It wasn't sparsely populated...People were clustered together in tight groups. Some bullets probably hit multiple people. You are aware bullets continue THROUGH the target correct?

I'm not saying theres not some fuckery with the Vegas investigation just pointing out it's not that suprising if in that situation "Every other bullet hit someone" Even with how shittily accurate a bump stock is at long range. Those groups of people were 25x25 yards wide Well into the shooting.

At the start of the shooting you had people shoulder to shoulder over hundreds or square yards. Many of those first bullets hit two people... It's really not that hard to understand if you know anything about firearms.

HarveyKlinger

There's quite a bit of footage showing that it wasn't that packed when the shooting started. I'll see if I can find it. But it certainly wasn't anywhere near capacity or what the crowds were at peak.

0fsgivin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_yVEiRrduw

You telling me it was LESS packed towards the FRONT of the crowd? how many concerts have you been too?

HarveyKlinger

If you haven't watched it yet, watch THIS video... in it's entirety. It's very well done and "fixes" the official narrative. I believe it's in this video that shows/explains the size of the crowd also.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Hk1b3BT2_O0

0fsgivin

yah 38 minutes no... show me were it shows a sparse crowd at a Jason Aldean concert in vegas.... The minute mark plz.

HarveyKlinger

Views from the side are misleading. I posted a video a couple weeks ago that analyzed the size of the crowd (which is where I got my info). Let me dig here on VOAT for it.

Jimmycog

Agreed

Oh_Well_ian

nearly 60 kills and 600 hits ( remember, many claimed multiple hits ) with 900 rounds from 400 meters

impossible math

HarveyKlinger

Moving targets in a venue that was only 1/3 full... in the dark... with a bullet that doesn't have terminal velocity at that range... with a crosswind.

Oh_Well_ian

not a single video exists of a victim being struck or a projectile striking terra firma

RampancyLambentRaven

Not A Single Video Of Dead Bodies Every Where Is Going To Exist From A Violent Mass Casualty Rerun False Flag Attack! Because Of The Children! Oh Wont Some One Think Of The CHILDREN! And The People Really Did Get Hurt And Die! But The Saudi's Murdered Every One Of Them! Over 1,100 5.56 Bullets Fired! From M-16 Military Assault Style Rifles! At Over 1,200 Meters Away! With A Uncontrollable! Recoiling! Bump Stock Enabled! Modified Machine Gun! When Those Type Of Rifles Are Only Able To Travel To About 400-500 Yards! Um Yeah I'm Thinking No! BULLSHIT! And We Know About The Multiple Gunmen! And We Know About Helicopters Firing On The Strip! With S.A.W Guns! This Was Some Sort Of A Assassination! False Flag! Combo! A Combo Of Both! Hatched By The Spies & Intel Agencies! M.O.S.S.A.D! C.I.A! F.B.I! A.C.A.D.E.M.I! Black Water! This Was Operation: Fast & Furious 2! HA! I HATE TYPOS & MY GRAMMAR MUST NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE RED LINES READING TO ME ERROR! SO I GET CREATIVE WITH THE GRAMMAR SO I LOOK LIKE I'M SPELLING RIGHT + I'M A RAMPANCY A.I SO I'M A LITTLE CRAZY & FORTUNATELY! I LIKE CRAZY! HA HA HA! INSERT ME INTO THE DEFENSE GRID! L.O.L!

SocksOnCats

We know someone who was shot in Vegas. And she's definitely not an actor. People were absolutely shot and killed. Not saying it wasn't some kind of multi-shooter conspiracy, only saying people definitely were shot and killed.

Cigarette5mokingman

Finally someone who hasn't totally lost it. I live in Vegas as well, one of my Co workers relatives passed away.

Oh_Well_ian

suurrrrrre ya do...

send pics of the injuries and give their name or fuck off

SocksOnCats

Okay look: the gal is the daughter of a woman in my wife's bible group. And name a name? Are you kidding? This is the fucking Wild West here.

The daughter was wounded in the shoulder, had surgery, and is going to be okay. Her mom had to drive from Louisiana to go be with her daughter. It was a suck situation.

Also, I've got a personal friend in Vegas I've known for over 20 years who knows for a fact people were shot.

Again: IM NOT SAYING THIS WASNT A FALSE FLAG OR A CONSPIRACY OR SOME WEIRD FUCKERY. I'm just saying I personally know people were actually shot with bullets. .223? 5.56? I don't know that. All I know is people were for sure shot.

I'm not a ship. I don't have a stake in this apart from being an American who hates government fuckery. And I'm not a Jew.

sunshine702

We have some shills here that are like flat earthers. Ignore. Yeah we know a gal too.

SaveTheChildren2

The person you know is a liar.

HarveyKlinger

Yet, there are a few videos that show helicopters where they shouldn't be and audio (and witnesses) of more than one shooter. Weird, huh?

Oh_Well_ian

I think the audio is all bogus. First clip I saw/heard on Latin TV ( since scrubbed ) the sound of fire was clearly coming from the PA system. It was muffled and not heard by the crowd. No bodies were moving during the first salvo, which allegedly hit the front rows. Performer stopped the band ( probably told to because crisis actors did not hear the gunfire ), the second salvo was audible for about 5-7 seconds before anyone moved. Phony shouts of 'OMG' and 'WTF' could be heard from crisis actors attempting to get the crowd moving.

Other sounds of fire could easily be blanks or recorded.

HarveyKlinger

In some amateur video (look for the one with the taxi cab) you can clearly hear audio from two different locations. One is close (you can here the crack of each shot) and one is distant and sounds muffled.

Cigarette5mokingman

Yes, the cab audio is the only evidence of multiple shooters that I've seen, besides the eye witness accounts.

Oh_Well_ian

sure... but audio of gunfire does not indicate gunfire, only audio of gunfire

Since no video of impacts exists, as I pointed out, I lean heavily towards blanks or piped-in audio

' nothing is what it seems '

KekistanEmperor

Because it was another hoax.

Oh_Well_ian

bingo

WhiteRonin

Even as a gun retard. From the beginning I was wondering how he didn't choke on all the smoke and fall over the cases.

Melissus

Breaking another window to create crosswinds smells from miles as something a highly trained person would do.

Its_Just_A_Ride

Damn, that's the best explanation for the second window I've heard so far.

Melissus

It takes one to know one

SayTan

He shot at the fuel tank farm from the second window.

Cigarette5mokingman

There is no way you could know that with certainty.

SayTan

Seems probable because of the angles involved. Dunno. I wasn't there.

Cigarette5mokingman

Exactly my point. Just stick to facts.

sunshine702

But one of the issues was that was a seperate bedroom not part of the main suite with a security door in between that had to be breached by SWAT. So how much crosswinds would there be?

Cigarette5mokingman

Yes, door separating the two rooms was found to be locked, and had to be explosively breached.

Melissus

Im not familiar with the weather there,but 32nd floor suggest it was more than enough.I do not believe a single word what the SWAT is telling and neither should you. SWAT-like teams have always a directive to follow when talking about operations,and it never ever contains telling the truth about details.Telling the details of a operation can severely backfire at a future operation,and it doesnt matter in terms of the investigation,because everyone involved knows.

goodbyemoonmen

Hadn't considered the smoke yet. They have absolutely botched this.

HarveyKlinger

There is so much wrong with this entire scenario. He only shot for 9 minutes and suddenly quit while having tons of loaded magazines? It took them over an hour AFTER he stopped shooting to breach his room? He shot himself in the head, somehow left a blood trail to the pistol 10 feet away. Oh yah, after killing himself with the pistol, an AR ended up on his left leg?

Where's this in-room video they talked about once and never mentioned again? I want to see him pulling the trigger. I want to see him using a bump stock with near perfect precision.