good stuffing

im talking about south of the equator. so for instance, no one in brazil or south america can see polaris.

if the earth was a disc then everyone everywhere would be able to see every star.

upvoat for great comment with some sources. not sure what I beleive but I support your conversation :)

The use of Azimuthal maps doesn't prove anything. It's a PROJECTION. Every map projection has its own uses. It is no proof that the earth is flat whatsoever. Stop trying to deliberately confuse people.

In the summer I live by the sea, next to a busy shipping lane. Every summer I see ships disappear behind the horizon. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I have seen it myself, there is nothing to prove.

The belief that the earth is flat is completely preposterous. We have navigated the earth with ships for almost 500 years using celestial navigation, and the calculations of longitude and latitude.

If the earth was flat ships would never have reached their destinations using our current method of navigation. It's simply completely impossible.

You're either extremely ignorant of the mathematical facts upon which everything on this earth operates today, or you are just here to waste everyone's time.

Which is it?

Why are you here wasting the time of all the people here who try to expose evil on this planet, with bullshit that has no bearing on anything.

Do you even understand what you are doing? You are undermining everything the people here on Voat try and fight for, with your misguided theories.

Get a grip and get on the right train. Your train is headed into a shithole of lunacy. I have not seen a single equation or mathematical proof from you. All you do is agitate and challenge people with your photographic requirements, while the truth is here staring you right in the face.

You've been taken for a cheap ride, and have fallen for it hook line and sinker. It's very difficult to admit to oneself that you have been duped. You should know it, because you posted a reference to what cognitive dissonance is.

Next summer go take a trip to the sea shore, and see for yourself. Then you can get back from running our civilization back into the stone ages, and actually start doing something good for everyone.

I'll try to fit it in today.

LOL We should do this again - only I'll be more awake and at a laptop or desktop. Imma hit you with some actual science and citations. I love a good excuse to smash my brain against a wall.

Edit: By the way, I think my best work is in the math and science subs. Music is also nice. Music can be described with math and physics. ;-)

Wait, what? They don't look so very different, they are taken at different angles and the sun is in a different position. What the hell are you on about?

Once again, they are all pictures of an oblate spheroid. All of them. Your eyeballs aren't going to detect this without assistance. I've told you how to check. I've even linked you to some handy science.

I'm pretty sure you don't even believe the planet is flat.

Every picture of the planet is a picture of an oblate spheroid. When you understand that, get back to me.

They are all oblate spheroids. Go pick your favorite. I'm done hunting images for you when you don't even understand the map projections having ingrained on you a distorted perception of sizes. Yet another reason the planet isn't flat...

Every photo of the planet, pick any one you want, is an image of an oblate spheroid.

And , no, that's not half. You don't need to be disingenuous.

Literally, every photo. You go ahead and pick any one you want. I just grabbed the very first one. There are tens of thousands to choose from, each one is of an oblate spheroid.

Google map projections, really.

It is that big. You're just used to the projection on flat maps. Try using a globe.

if the earth was flat we wouldnt need globes, any map would work

Here, I even went and got you a nice link:

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-11-dont-rocket-earth-isnt-flat.html

We should do this when I'm not on a tablet.

Show me a picture of the flat disc from space.

Also look up Cognitive Dissonance .

We can keep playing this game. I've got time. Are we getting somewhere yet? Didn't see any science so far.

Pick any one. They are ALL oblate spheroids. Here is one:

https://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/images/2016/04/earthheader.jpg

That's an oblate spheroid. Get good measurements and have a perfect circle cut with a stable metal. You should then even be able to see it with your own eyes.

Don't try to steer the discussion away from the original topic. You only need ONE THING that works, and it is enough to either prove or disprove your model. Sextants work, and unless otherwise demonstrated, it is proof that the flat earth model is wrong.

Show me your equations. I'm still waiting.

They are ALL oblate spheroid pictures, you just can't tell because it's 42 kilometers over the span of the entire planet. It's not a big amount. Every picture you see of the planet is a picture of an oblate spheroid. All of them.

At least you're now admitting we have been in space since the sixties. We still are. There's like a half dozen of 'em up there right now.

You being able to discern it in a picture isn't actually a scientific measurement. You can't see gravity either. That doesn't make it any less real.

However, of you get a good high res image and it's pretty large, you might be able to see it by using one of those fancy circles they make out of materials like titanium. It'd still be small, but you should see the equator bulging out. It's not a very huge difference.

They will all be slightly out of round, unless taken above the poles. You're not going to see it without a precise circle to measure it against. It's something like 32 km difference? On the scale of the earth, you're not going to see that with your eyeballs.

Hold on, I'll get the actual difference. 42 km difference, not 32. Sheesh...

Edit: By the way, any picture meets your criteria, even if you can't see it with your eyeballs.

Orbital mechanics tells me the moon and sun wouldn't be where they are with a flat earth.

It is 0600, but I will try to come back to this topic again and give you the physics. Math, by itself, actually doesn't 'prove' the planet is spherical. Physics does, with reasonable confidence.

At least you didn't try the holograph and 'no it doesn't' isn't really a rebuttal. Ol' Newton is just fine for large stuff. Hell, we put a man on the moon with Newtonian gravitation.

I can see the appeal of this. All you have to do is demand proof and science provides evidence, not proof.

I actually don't believe in flat earth, but I share your pain with how incredibly brainwashed people who feel compelled to defend the globe model are. Blithering parrots who are incapable of thinking for themselves, stroking their ego by borrowing authority from men who couldn't stand a moments conversation with such a dullard.

Check out my response to this self-proclaimed phd mathematician in this thread, it should tickle your fancy.

Edit: if it was you, please don't downvote the guy because you disagree with him. We're having a (spicy) discussion but there is no need for that.

Because the point is confidence. Science has the means to obtain certainty, but it is a very high barrier. So, we use confidence.

I'm 99.99999% certain the Earth is round. Before you scoff, that's more certain than I am of a thrown ball coming back down after it reaches its apex.

And no, I won't waste my time watching your link. You are correct. Many physicists are crazy and engineers often think they are smarter than they really are.

A very, very simple mechanism to tell, is tidal movements. Those will only happen like they do if the planet is spherical. By the way, it looks round to you ecause you haven't measured it. It's not a huge variation. The distance around the poles is shorter than the distance around the equator.

We have people in space right now. You can go outside and see them with a pair of binoculars. They pass over much of the planet so you'd probably be able to spot them with some quick research. You can even email them and see videos that are live.

Satellites work exactly like I'm told. I've been in a clean room where they were building one and know a dozen real rocket scientists. I went to MIT! I know some of those people you see on television, personally. I've been in a clean room and understand orbital mechanics.

Newtonian gravitation is just fine for large objects. It is a useful model. I understand the complaints and the discrepancies. I could literally just ask for a masters in a variety of physics domains, as I've completed the work. I'd have to write a thesis or something, that's it. A few more classes and I could have a Ph.D. in a number of physical sciences.

On top of that, I've pointed the plane and helped plot our route, and traveled extensively. Our plotted route wouldn't have gotten us where we were going if the planet was flat.

Sheesh...

Probably not, they don't believe in the scientific method.