We4pwnX

C’mon America, lead us again! Show us the way

ShowMeYourKitties

The second amendment doesn't protect you from tyrannical government, your rifle does.

The second amendment is a notice that if they try to take the rifle, they'll be shot.

mordredbas

But Obama's no longer in office.

GizaDog

And a treasonous MEDIA!

Aswimmingday

I’m not waiting. The fall has started. Now is the time to start putting the pieces in place to form something new from the ashes.

Cantilever

Yup. It'll never happen though. And there's no reason it should. The system is still salvageable

TheWheelofTime

What don't you guys understand? Obama has like 50 PHDs or something on the Constitution. He is anti-gun. Just because this country can't keep out hundreds of thousands of illegals or just because it can't keep out illegal drugs in amounts so large they must be measured in metric tons, that doesn't mean we can't keep the guns out. But we have to turn in all of our legally owned guns first. Don't you guys get it? As soon as we do that, all the kidnappers, human traffickers and drug dealers will stop bringing guns into the country. As soon as we make the world a nicer place and get rid of all of our guns and take guns away from our cops, everyone else will be nicer. Haven't you FUCKING NAZIS ever seen that picture of that hippie putting a flower in that soldier's gun? GODDAMNIT YOU FUCKING FASCISTS! I HOPE ALL YOU FUCKING WHITE MEN DIE! FUCK YOU! I HATE MYSELF FOR BEING WHITE! AHHHHH....

tholinz

The Second Amendment doesn't do shit on its own. What it actually does is codify the right of the American people to destroy the government if the government doesn't hold up its end of the bargain. It's almost a duty to do so. It makes us responsible for ourselves.

forgot_p4ssword

They (the government) would NEVER turn on its people. Literally never happened in all of history. If you say anything contrary you are a white supremacist!!!111oneone)

(that'll be 10 shekels, i've sent an in-voice to CTR)

cm18

Problem is that this government has elevated and field tested the weapons and tactics of war such that weapons currently held by citizens are effectively pea-shooters in comparison. Existing weapons in citizens hands actually keeps the peace and prevents nastiness like antifa from getting out of hand. (Had Obama been successful in removing guns, AntiFa and other rioters would have turned this country into another color revolution.) Existing weapons also make it difficult to convince non-soldiers (e.g. police) to enforce tyrannical laws. Existing weapons also prevent roaming gangs like we've seen in Mexico. In times of emergency, armed citizens keep the peace.

Existing citizen weapons are NOT effective against a modern standing army. You only have to look to Iraq to understand this. Militias (volunteer citizen armies) are no match for a modern army. There is no possibility of revolt if the existing professional military decides it is going to subjugate Americans.

The only real weapons the citizens have against government are the power of the purse (stop producing or refuse to pay taxes), and the power of the pen (convince standing soldiers to help train, fight, and acquire real weapons to over throw the existing system). Also keep in mind that any civil war or revolt openly invites other world powers to step in and subjugate American citizens, so it's a very iffy move.

ShowMeYourKitties

Artillery, drones, planes and even a tanks can't hold down a street corner.

(Not to mention they lose the war of "hearts and minds" the moment they drop a bomb on citizens)

They can't enforce curfews.

They can't enforce no-assembly edicts.

For that you need people, and people can always be shot.

Aswimmingday

The government would fall to a group of determined men who held bolt action rifles. The moment that the US used nukes(assuming they exist) against its own, is the day America would fall.

Mylon

That is a fantasy. The reality is the NSA would know you were a threat before you ever fired a shot and you'd disappear quietly one night to some gulag. You're not going to win a war with antiquated weapons. We're not talking tanks and rifles, we're talking information and pervasive surveillance.

Mr_Quagmire

In times of emergency, armed citizens keep the peace.

Unless they don't want you to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina#Confiscation_of_civilian_firearms

ravensedgesom

Great summary. 2A rights wonderful crime deterrent and personal protection including domestic terrrorism through color revolutions or foreign invaders. Not so useful against a modern standing army. Still can be a major deterrent to tyrannical policies and preservation of basic human rights whether it be property rights or forced subjugation. If we lose 2A rights we are nothing more than slaves to the government. There is also the very real prospect of democide which occurs during a tyrannical regime usually bolshevism takes control and mass murders anyone who poses a threat intellectual or physical.

kneo24

Second post like this in two days. What exactly is going on that makes you all think we need to prep for it now?

WithoutaDoubt

Well, it failed. So far.

Tallest_Skil

lol, YOU failed. A piece of paper doesn’t do anything, idiot.

WithoutaDoubt

As Scott Adams would say: "Here is your tell for cognitive dissonance."

Tallest_Skil

I can’t tell what you mean by that, but you refuse to uphold the principles of your piece of paper, so it doesn’t mean anything.

ardvarcus

The Constitution is not "just a piece of paper" Mr. Bush. It is a set of principles by which we live, and through which we enjoy the prosperity we enjoy. The paper on which it is written is of small importance, but the principles themselves are vital to our continuing freedom and happiness.

Tallest_Skil

The Constitution is not "just a piece of paper"

It’s literally just a piece of animal skin on which some ink has been scrawled.

It is a set of principles by which we live

THEN FUCKING LIVE BY THEM. RISE THE FUCK UP AND KILL THE FUCKING TRAITORS OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR HYPOCRISY.

the principles themselves are vital to our continuing freedom and happiness.

And yet you don’t seem to give a shit about them, as you’ve let the last CENTURY happen without killing your “elected” officials.

jarvis101

I agree, but it's hard to imagine how a bunch of citizens with firearms could overthrow a government that has fighter planes, tanks, battleships, and missiles at their disposal.

MaxAncap

Numbers.

madhatter67

Their weapons still aren't completely controlled by robots yet.....squaddies tend not to like being turned on their own people

Cantilever

I'm sure the communists felt the same

mightnotbearobot

Which is great but the US citizens are too pussy to use it. You hear people talking about "Obama's reign of tyranny" or some bullshit but did they do anything about it? Did they fuck. The 2nd Amendment is wasted on you.

http404

I dread to think what kind of constitution Governments would write now.. or would that be the Corporations would right.. furthest distance from the interests of individual people.

Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

heretolearn

we the people need to write a new constitution and bill of rights the modern age. along with updating and deleting draconian laws. it can be done. we have the internet to communicate ideas. can can form a new government at any time. yet, we don't. I mostly see people still distracted by fringe issues, while the current govt keeps stripping rights away.

MaxAncap

Blue pill thinking. ''We need to reboot into new matrix !''

elitch2

Every single government in the Western world needs to be overthrown. They are all traitorous.

Aswimmingday

Any government that is loyal to Israel, is a traitor to its own people.

ardvarcus

Every single government in the Western world needs to be overthrown. They are all traitorous.

They've all been infiltrated by Jews and their goyim libtard lapdogs.

elitch2

Yeah, communists. We need to revert to the sort of government we had 1776-1913.

MaxAncap

revert? In a changing world, arguing to go back is a losing strategy in terms of popular support. You should instead frame it as going forward in terms of what you want.

elitch2

I'm on Voat.

Thin_White_Duke

1776-1860

elitch2

Fair enough.