GlobalSouth

No. He just sees dead people.

Cheesebooger

Its another jewish false flag

blackguard19

The specific type of false flag known as a hoax.

ardvarcus

Certain conspiracy mouthpieces have the same song to sing over and over. When there's a mass killing, they immediately start to say it didn't happen, that it was all staged, that nobody was killed. This, in the face of overwhelming evidence that it did happen, and people indeed got killed.

I'm wondering if this silly and irrational stance is a part of the flat earth campaign, designed to discredit all conspiracy speculators?

blackguard19

overwhelming evidence

The best reason to think that a single actual rifle shot was fired in Las Vegas is ___________.

RoBatten

At one point, you can clearly hear two different guns firing at the same time. It's not an echo, because one gun shoots a short burst in the middle of the other's long burst, and has a larger bore sound.

blackguard19

You're talking about the sounds of gunshots. I know there were sounds of gunshots. And I even agree with you, it does sound like more than one location they're issuing from.

But that's just sounds. There were no bullets.

BoraxTheFungarian

Qq, could that be a pre-recorded gunshot sound/s playing through the soundsystem? Just curious...

blackguard19

That's exactly what I think it was as well as simply adding the sounds to the videos afterwards, because in some videos you can hear gunshots and people are just sitting there not even flinching.

derram

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=pDZlVkpPXuE :

[MIRROR] LAS VEGAS “I really don't see anybody actually injured“ - YouTube

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blackguard19

Biggest massacre in US history.

Thousands of witnesses with thousands of active recording devices.

One of the most video-surveilled cities in the entire world.

No video of anything or anyone being shot, no bullet damage, no gunshot wounds.

2 + 2 = hoax

ReadPastHeadlines

Besides any "I know someone who had a friend die there" comments which mean nothing in these conversations, I will point out that there are video and photos of gunshot victims. You can claim to not trust them but it's false to say none were produced. I saw a synced cell phone footage compilation that has a guy leaving who took a bullet in the arm, wound on camera and everything. There are graphic pictures of a blood smeared ground with a lot of bodies left after most people had left. Another claim from me that won't amount to much: I drove past the Mandalay Bay the following week, stuck in single lane traffic, driving past the event still setup as a crime scene with the stage and cloth along the sides shredded by something. My only point in posting this is so that we can focus on the actual details of what went down that night, not if it's another Sandy Hook or not. (((They))) were not prepared for this to take place which is why it's the first time we had a ton of footage right away and a shut down of information instead of a false narrative being pushed. Vegas is what it looks like when a shooting really happens. But it's not an example of someone going over the edge and choosing to end it all with a massacre/suicide.

blackguard19

Uh, no. You didn't show any evidence at all.... none. I've seen the stupid video of the guy with the "bloody arm," I've even screen-shotted it to show how unclear it is.

Seriously if you are trying to tell me that this image is the "smoking gun" that there was an actual shooting, you might as well believe Sandy Hook was a real deal as well but as far as I'm concerned that alone demonstrates that this was a staged event. I've actually made about 5 posts in the last two days here, all with evidence that this was a hoax, and yet no one can really point to any good reason to think a shot was fired.

ReadPastHeadlines

so we can agree that you are wrong when you say there is no video/photos taken showing a bullet wound. Just because you don't believe them doesn't mean they are not out there.

You want so badly for this to be an event that didn't happen that you are automatically ruling out any evidence until that evidence is proven beyond a doubt to be 100% legit. If the guy in that screenshot came to your house to tell you his story with a polygraph machine attached, you would not believe him.

My only point to you is to stop saying that there isn't any video or photographs showing gun shot wounds because you just proved there is. The guy in the video has blood running down his arm with a wound and says that he was shot. From there, you are free to question if he's an actor with makeup on, or fell on broken glass in the panic and thought that he was shot. But that's difference than not having anything released to scrutinize.

Anyway, getting off track. I'm not going to argue the facts because I'm still trying to figure out this event myself. You are way too defensive against someone just trying to help you catch up a bit on the details of this event. Just like the podesta email leaks, there was a major effort to flood the internet with misinformation to try and make everything seem over the top rediculous and any theory unbelievable which is their tactic now; we need to be more cautious in our research.

blackguard19

I have spent the past 3 months since the event on r/conspiracy where there is a clear effort to obfuscate the event by spreading all sorts of elaborate theories, going to any lengths to avoid scrutiny of the basic claims of the event -- namely that people were actually shot. I had over 40 people tell me they had a connection to a Vegas victim, many of which were compiled into an article on newnationalist.net. Here it is:

http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/24/the-i-knew-a-guy-who-knew-a-cousins-friend-who-died-at-vegas-shills/

You can see for yourself if those people seem trustworthy at all, keeping in mind this all took place on a conspiracy subreddit.

Even if we both concede that that photo does show a bullet wound, which it by no means does, the fact that that dimly lit indiscernible image, which was taken from a clearly staged video, is the only picture of a gunshot wound would be proof enough that the event was staged.

a100167

There are plenty of bullet damage videos. Check out Jake Morphonios and his work on this shooting. He's been covering it NON STOP since it happened, multiple trips to Vegas, he shows you bullet damage, he shows you a shit load of everything. This is no hoax.

blackguard19

But you can't link to one image or video that demonstrates this?

a100167

Sure I can, but I don't fuckin' work for you son. I gave you a fuckin' treasure trove of actual good content that outlines and explains a serious conspiracy surrounding this event. One far more complex than "Huuurrr it didn't happen!"

Do yourself a huge favor watch these videos, they're fantastic and the work Jake has done is incredible.

ReadPastHeadlines

At this point he's an unwitting, unpaid shill accidentally working to push misinformation in an addiction to find conspiracies. It's unfortunate in this case because this event has plenty of conspiracy without needing to further questions if shots were fired, which has already been proven

a100167

Ah, a voice of reason on voat, getting rarer these days :)

It's a shame people want their opinions given to them instead of doing the work to research and form their own ideas.

blackguard19

Which video and specific timestamp shows any reason to think shots were fired? This shouldn't be difficult. If there were a real mass shooting on this scale the evidence would be as vivid as it is copious.

a100167

That's right, it isn't difficult, so do it yourself. It's a video that involves the gas storage tanks near the venue if that helps you find it.

blackguard19

In the past couple days alone I have made 4 posts here all with evidence suggesting the event to be staged.

The deadliest massacre in US history and all you can do to substantiate shots were fired is link me to a dude's YT channel and say "idk watch this shit?"

In a real bloody catastrophe you could link a half dozen convincing images with less effort than writing that comment required, without even using that Youtuber. Especially since it's been over 3 months since the "shooting."

So either you're the laziest individual alive or there's quite the glaring absence of visual proof of anything being shot.

a100167

This isn't fuckin' reddit, go dig up your own damn source. Talk about lazy.

I_Always_Lie

Yep.

NoMoreScreenNames

How many survivors wound up accidentally killed afterward? There's been half a dozen at least ; not being an actuary I don't know if that's an unusually or suspiciously high number given the crowd size. But I know I've seen multiple articles posted to voat, to r/t_d , and r/uncensorednews about the deaths.

I_Always_Lie

Just because the media says it happened, doesn't mean it did. Do you really think they would pick off people one by one to try to keep a lid on things? That's just stupid.

They could simply ignore them. They don't need to kill witnesses, especially when they'd have to kill thousands to be effective. The government doesn't care if a few people actually figure out the truth.

blackguard19

There were no shots fired. When staging a mass casualty incident drill, safety is paramount.