Re: Behold a Pale Horse (now #16 on Amazon!), Amazon reviewers saying some copies are missing pages and/or have been edited ( conspiracy )

submitted by SolarBaby

Does anyone out there with an original printing have the ability to determine what has been removed from the current version Amazon is distributing?

DoNotTouchThePizza

Bill Cooper was before his time. His radio series on the net is worth the listen. I recommend Mystery Babylon series. In order to fully understand it you need to start with part 1 The Dawn Of Man and go in order. It is a great fundamental primer to understand the occult.

un1ty

I have the OG copy, AFAIK.

SolarBaby

Does it have a lot of spelling, grammatical and formatting errors? Hyphenated words where the end of the word vanishes and a new chapter simply starts instead, etc?

un1ty

I'll check - any page(s) in particular to look for?

SolarBaby

One small example from the PDF, page 66 under FACTOR II - FATHER, the two-paragraph section ends with this "So junior will go to war, the true purpose not withstand-" and then nothing but space followed by FACTOR III - MOTHER.

un1ty

My copy shows:

ing.

as your missing line.

SolarBaby

Okay, thanks. That's just one of the many spelling/grammatical/typo type errors obvious in the PDF. Determining what could be edited and/or missing is something I'm not sure where to even start.

sugamari

my guess is - if it's got the protocols in it then it's probably not edited

SayTan

Think about this FACT:

People have leaked pentagon, cia, nsa, usaf, usn, etc. etc. data and actual facts. Not one person has corroborated anything he wrote, nor his claimed career. You may as well be jacking off to Nostradamus. He wrote FICTION to targeted audiences and then he suicided by cop as his life fell apart.

SayTan

It is all utter garbage. He catered to ufo people until he saw a new market in selling fiction to militia types. I wish I had back every minute I wasted reading something that only backed up it's statements with "trust me".

KILLtheRATS

Why is it becoming popular

SayTan

The same reason morons read shit like nostradamus. Lots of gullible folks out there.

KILLtheRATS

Na nigger. William Cooper was very correct and honest

SayTan

Find one corroborating witness.

Nobody else has.

He knew what his audience wanted to believe. I did not say he was a bad conman. But he wrote fiction.

Cooper had ZERO EVIDENCE and conspiratarded believe him. You can believe in the tooth fairy but that does not make it exist. Some conspiracies happen. Cooper's were his own inventions that catered to his reading and radio audiences misguided beliefs.

KILLtheRATS

Why does he seem to be accurate? Why was WC assassinated?

SayTan

BTW: MLK was a huge pain in the ass inciting the burning of cities. Assassinated.

WC: Sold a few books and was on the art bell show a lot back then, mostly about ufos. It kinda transitioned into militia themes towards the end. Bit of book sales. No real audience. NOT assassinated.

Rush Limbaugh: Huge pain in the ass to Clintons. Huge audience of ditto heads. When charged with prescription abuse, did not shoot a deputy in the head. Not assasinated. Free man today.

Use a bit of critical thinking and it makes fraud conspiracy theories stand out. Nobody that nobody cares about is assassinated over a book mostly unknown during the life of it's author.

All of the supposed corroboration on the web is fans parroting him and pointing to other people doing the exact same thing.

Near 30 years is a long time for nobody to find personnel files of any kind other than a USN vnam tour. Especially with the current army of fanboys. Does not pass the smell test.

KILLtheRATS

You do know that cooper had access to secret stuff, right. He worked in the highest offices. Limbaugh is a radio personality

SayTan

You know this because he claimed so. Show me any evidence he was ever anything but a navy maybe E-5.

WC WAS A RADIO PERSONALITY. THAT WAS HIS FUCKING GIG.

DO YOU REALIZE THIS FACT?

SayTan

A:Because you want to believe and he crafted his story well, taking a lot of memes from his target audiences.

B: He shot a cop in the head. He was not assasinated, he engaged in an intentional gun battle with deputies over a minor issue.

C: Snowden had actual evidence. Assange has actual evidence. Hoover FBI, actual evidence. CIA, loads of actual evidence.

...Cooper: "take my word for it because I say I was there..." (not ONE corroborating witness to ANY of what he wrote)

Note Assange, Snowden, etc all generated HUGE GOVERNMENTAL REACTIONS. Cooper? None, other than noticing tax evasion related to his book sales...that would have been proved in tax court if he had not decided to shoot an LEO in the head.

KILLtheRATS

Eh, who knows

SayTan

Three decades, no witnesses to corroborate.

KILLtheRATS

Confessions of an economic hitman is a good one

KILLtheRATS

I've had the book for 12 +years. I just rest the first 75 pages a year ago. I got massive anxiety and had to stop. This is coming from someone who has been into conspiracies for 20 years

KILLtheRATS

My copy us 12 years old. I can check any new copies against mine. Ask me if you need me to check

Rb8623

What's this book about? I know I could read reviews, etc., but I appreciate the Voat communities take on things for what it's worth.

SolarBaby

Published in 1991 by Cooper, a former Navy Intelligence Officer and decorated Vietnam vet, it details the subversion of the US Government as part of an international cabal's plan to create a global socialist tyranny. It goes into great detail and provides transcripts from hearings, highlights various bills, executive orders, and all sorts of other things. Also talks of UFOS/Aliens a bit, something which he later disavowed as having been misled over. This is a weak synopsis but it's a fascinating read especially given hindsight and the matters of our present day. You could say it was prophetic but that would discount that he was simply providing all the proof he had gathered of a plan that seemingly has continued on track as designed.

SayTan

He imagined his career and not one person has corroborated his statements.

His transcripts are works of FICTION, as nobody else has ever heard of any of them, except from him.

Just another art bell show con artist.

SolarBaby

I'm reading the book for the first time and whether or not he had corroboration there is clearly a lot of truth in it and things he predicted based on what he said the plan was have come to pass. The government documents he cites and the footnotes can now be looked into more than ever before, certainly more than could be done in 1991. I don't personally know if he was a charlatan or not but if so then he inadvertently was right about some pertinent things in today's world. He was never a guest on Art Bell's show.

SayTan

He read what his audience wanted to hear.

The best con is based on catering the con to the audience.

He was a good con, but a con.

3 decades and not one person can corroborate his made up .mil history.

I am a son of a USAF O-5/civil service GS-17, now GS-16 with special executive service with west pointer kin, including a 3 star. When I smell bullshit, I smell bullshit.

I used to listen to him on art bell. It was amusing. I have a copy of the book. It is well targeted fiction.

crazy_eyes

Acisentally?

JesusRules

I just got Pawwns in the Game

pby1000

The different races, too. That is exactly what is going on in Europe.

These people need to be wiped from the face of the planet.

Shekelstein6M

Step 1: go to thepiratebay.org

Step 2: Type "Behold a Pale Horse"

Step 3: open torrent in utorrent

Step 4: ???

Step 5: profit

throughtheblack

While we're recommending books, I'll throw in Satan's Government by Michael Lucas (another Canadian). It's a quick read and more of an overview of how the world's systems of power operate from a perspective of muzzling and choking off Christian values and influence. It used to be available to read online for free at www.satansgovernment.com but it seems to be down now.

Talktome

My friend just said he knew Jonathon may, that he was IMF. I don't know anything about the book yet or Jonathon May.

Here is the full text:https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-FKj0lS414wJslfGL/cooper%20BEHOLD%20A%20PALE%20HORSE%20PG%20333%20JONATHON%20MAY_djvu.txt

Please upvoat me if this is useful. I need to post some things.

Onlio

What about buyinh an old version on ebay?

chowmetal92

not that I can offer any answer to OP's specific question, didn't william cooper himself disavow some stuff in this book in the later years?

I seem to remember some interviews or lectures where he walked back some statements about UFO's in Behold A Pale Horse, but don't remember specific details.

SolarBaby

This is purportedly his last interview before his death . In it he says he no longer believes there ever were aliens and that he was misled on the subject.

This is the final episode of "Hour of the Time," his shortwave radio broadcast. He was killed the next day.

Scarlet_Begonias

I just pulled out my old copy, I think it's a 1st edition. Copyright 1991. What do you need?

canbot

Buy the amazon version and go line by line looking for alterations.

3TrillionPotatoes

Compare the ISBN with the ISBN of what Amazon is selling, generally large revisions require new ISBNs (though I doubt they would signal a censored version like that)

If possible find a pdf (or the amazon version) and check random sections for changes.

Scarlet_Begonias

I didn't know that about the ISBNs, I'll do that. Would comparing the table of contents help, too? Or do you think they wouldn't be so blatant as that? Unfortunately we will have to wait until tomorrow before I can deliver. I'm already out for the night.

3TrillionPotatoes

The Table of Contents might help for blatant removals.

For most of it you'll need to look at particular paragraphs that would have been altered with specific wording that either makes it technically "factually" wrong or changed to deflect from the original perpetrators that were named because that will generally signal who changed it and why.

Bozito

Scan pdf and share

heuristic

go search Google using "file type:pdf"

CIA_KILLED_JFK

yeah, you got a spare 80 hours?

canbot

To prove a conspiracy? Yes.

pby1000

I will also look at those other books. I am reading through it now. The Luciferian Doctrine described on pages 32-35 is exactly what is going on today.

"3. The Luciferian ideology requires that the human race be integrated absolutely so that Reds, Blacks, Yellows, and Whites be mixed into one vast conglomeration of humanity without any distinctive features, cultures, racial traits, or other peculiarities. (The UNESCO man.)"

steve0suprem0

So did the cia add the bit about galileo's nuclear battery being used to ignite Jupiter into a second sun?

UlyssesEMcGill

Go on...

steve0suprem0

It's in the book. Supposedly the JSON society's project Lucifer.

UlyssesEMcGill

Right now I'm probably not going to look at it. If you add one more fascinating nugget it could sway me

steve0suprem0

It also includes a paper, supposedly produced for or by some think tank, called "silent weapons for quiet wars"

FuggBenis

16? That's pretty impressive, the anon who posted it on /qresearch/ yesterday must be smiling from ear to ear.

fartyshorts

Let's make it #1!

FeminismKills

What's the best place to buy unedited or first edition books?

Cheezecowboy

I've had good luck with eBay.

pby1000

Well, now I will read that one, too. Thanks!!

EDIT: I just looked, and I downloaded it before, but did not read it. I will do so...

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/satan_prince_of_this_world.pdf

CowWithBeef

Buying it from Amazon is a bit counterproductive. Bezos is a CIA ally.

UlyssesEMcGill

Ally? Or asset?

heuristic

yes

dooob

The guy has a 600mil contract with CIA to store their data. Might be off on numbers, search it yourself.

UlyssesEMcGill

That's why I'm suggesting that he's more than just an ally.

dooob

All spooks allys are their assets, blackmail is their m.o.

RageAgainstTheAmish

Both.

pby1000

There are .pdf's floating around. I believe that someone is still running his website. Maybe contact that person.

UlyssesEMcGill

I think the desire for an original print copy is to ascertain the legitimacy of secondary publications/formats.

pby1000

Ah, yes, I see now. I am seeing about contacting the person running the website.

SolarBaby

I haven't been able to get his website to respond at all for a couple of days and now it's giving a fatal error.

pby1000

Here is the .pdf, in case you are looking for it.

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/William_Cooper-Behold_a_Pale_Horse1991.pdf

I will see if I can contact anyone at that website.

pby1000

Well, that is all I know. LOL. I found a name, phone number, and email for the domain registration. Want to contact them?

dragonkiller

Want to contact them?

Naaa. I downloaded a copy of Pale Horse from the net long time ago but I don't know if it was ever tampered with like the amazon deal. I stole that meme from @blacksmith21 a few minutes ago. When I saw you talking about making phone calls I could not resist it. He was calling people Niggra and I had to check him so I would not have to slap a dragon label on him. We know what happens when somebody gets a dragon label :)

Blacksmith21

Tongue in cheek reference.

dragonkiller

Tongue in cheek reference.

Just messing with ya. I thought it was funny :)

Blacksmith21

Thank God...I can't tell if anyone has a sense of humor anymore. Once that is gone....

dragonkiller

Thank God...I can't tell if anyone has a sense of humor anymore. Once that is gone....

I like you too. Now that we got to first base.

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4191234.jpg

pby1000

LOL. OK. I see.

everfresh7

Gratitude for this

pby1000

I found an email and phone number for the person listed as the contact for the website. Should I try to contact him?

Jadsticles

Give it a go mate.

pby1000

Ok!

SolarBaby

I've known of Bill Cooper and his book for a couple of decades but am only now reading it. Though, everything in it so far I have heard about through other means over the years. I was always put off by the behavior of his fans and supporters but now I don't care about that. This resurgent interest in his book has got me somewhat intrigued at where all his supporters disappeared to. They used to be everywhere. Now I'm seeing all these people say they've never heard of the guy and it occurs to me that it has been a few years since I heard mention of him or his book.

KILLtheRATS

Most probably does of old age

magic3383

I remember 7 or 8 years ago his fans were calling in and calling Alex Jones a shill and whatnot. Alex didn't care for their accusations.

Womb_Raider

Huxley and Orwell basically gave them instruction on how to dominate us, and they're using tactics of both authors' books against us. They're destroying our history and shared knowledge whilst they distract us with nonsense.

IIJOSEPHXII

This crossed my mind when I was talking about Kubrick being an enemy and not an ally.

"Silence is consent" is their philosophy not mine. If people stay silent about their crimes they take it as consent to do it again and worse.

Orwell has told us what will happen - the sheep tell them to carry on doing it by their silence

JesusRules

Those guys were British MI5, members of the Royal Institute of Internatianal Affairs (British CFR) a

Womb_Raider

You don't say?

JesusRules

umm humm

SolarBaby

...and the drugs. Lots and lots of drugs from childhood on.

Womb_Raider

Oh yeah. Can't let people have their mental faculties!

Horizonprinter

We need to get a unedited version on the reading list

grandmacaesar

I'm certain there have been multiple pdfs online for over ten years now.

I_TakeupSpace

Is there some service out there that will print and bind pdf files for you? I'm not keen on printing out and then hole-punching 500 pages worth at home.

sugamari

blurb.com

I_TakeupSpace

This looks like what I need. Thanks.

I_TakeupSpace

I never said it would be difficult. I said it would be time consuming. Time that I could spend actually reading the goddamn book.

Shithead.

GlamourSpork

I had a friend who used this - http://1dollarscan.com/ - and was happy with them. I've never tried it myself though.

KILLtheRATS

No!!!! We need hard copies for the future!!!! They destroy the hard copies!

UlyssesEMcGill

He wants pdfs turned into physical copies, not physical copies turned info pdfs.

You can take your books to your local library to have them digitize it for free, if you trust the workers at your library

zaksglass

Some office stores provide this service. Check your local Staples, etc.