Ialwayssaythis

Man.... How do I get in on this money.

zen_music

Can someone put up another link? Won't open for me

ProudTruther

I effing hate these damn kike drugs!

GoodGodKirk

Why are prescriptions which cause suicidal thoughts allowed?!? Cause it might help someone?

SurfinMindWaves

Human thoughts are elusive and hard to pin down. If someone is taking these types of meds they are obviously already depressed. How do you determine that one thing or another caused them to feel like giving up? I've felt like giving up before and it had nothing to do with antidepressants. Can I ban mean people from the world because they made me feel suicidal?

GoodGodKirk

You figure it out through therapy. Find out what’s setting you off and you work from there.

Or cigarettes, as they reduce anxiety instantly...but are frowned upon.

Not sure how I posted twice..

B3bomber

Cigs do not reduce anxiety beyond the I NEED MY FIX effect. They also raise blood pressure which is experienced by the smoker as "calming and lower blood pressure". This shit has been scientifically studied (you know those warnings on the package? That's a few decades of research. Big Tobacco tried suing these studies from existence, including their own internal studies that backed the official ones.).

Do not try to say: but it helps me. There has been no one in any of those studies who had the positive effects they thought they got from smoking cigarettes.

GoodGodKirk

ex smoker here. lived it and can tell you cigarettes DO affect your anxiety and state of mind. But even I realized it was only a bandaid and making me reliant on something else.

I was starting to show bad aigns of high blood pressure and was told by my doctor to lower my smoking, but to not eliminate it.

and having a cigarette before a presentation always removed my jitters.

short term effects, but horrible in the long run so i ended up finally quitting last year after getting the blood pressure under control.

B3bomber

That's good. If you do smoke either vape or get a quality tobacco pipe and a product that isn't processed like that shit they put in cigs. It's still bad for you (non vape type, unknown on vape) but should lessen the effects and often the smell. Cig smoke stinks.

GoodGodKirk

yes, i can smell it a mile away now and i do vape. 3mg of nicotine which im lowering to 0mg soon.

tried one day and got a little antsy. whew. what a day.

B3bomber

Good luck, the withdrawals are never fun no matter what substance it is (try cutting out sugar added to food, be very careful because it can cause relapse of lots of things).

GoodGodKirk

thanks for that, every little compliment helps.

no trouble with sugars here really. Thank goodness!

B3bomber

That's because you haven't tried removing them:P

No problem, I try to thank the people who get away from cigs. There are definitely better alternatives that don't fuck with you or others anywhere near as much.

GoodGodKirk

i can't get away from all the preservatives, bit i do cook mostly natural foods.

B3bomber

Preservatives aren't necessarily bad. They're to keep food from going bad too easily (which it will). With all the techniques and technology we have, we still lose a lot of food to spoilage. Good you can get ingredients that way to cook them though.

GoodGodKirk

Preservatives are basically sugar though. High fructose syrup...in everything that is canned. Not sure what’s in the frozen stuff.

Try to eat naturally, but sometimes can’t be bothered.

B3bomber

Odd. I never heard of that as a preservative. Frozen usually adds nothing.

GoodGodKirk

High fructose syrup? Look at canned goods, they all contain a form of it.

B3bomber

Yeah, it's a form of sugar that is subsidized to be cheaper than sugar. I miss the salt.

pixelkitteh

I've been put onto a dangerous anti depressant in the past which caused these thoughts, it's hard to explain... it's not like regular thoughts, it's like every thought you have there is a reply that tells you to die... it's really strange... honestly i am not suicidal in the slightest (i have ptsd not depression), but those pills let me to an attempted suicide... I can't for the life of me now think why the hell I would have ever wanted to do that but at the time, it was what the 'thoughts' told me to do... Kinda like schizophrenia i guess? but I'm not that either so... I dunno... I've probably done a horrible job trying to explain it.

SurfinMindWaves

Did these thoughts go away immediately when you stopped taking the meds?

pixelkitteh

Yep!! I was put onto a different one after that incident (which I am still on today, 7 years later) and I have never had a suicidal thought since. I still get panic attacks, flash backs, ptsd relasted issues, they will never fully go away, but suicidal thoughts nope.

Sour

Have you considered an alternative to the pills such as shrooms and weed?

pixelkitteh

Never used either, maybe weed once in high school? And at the time it was the only prescription drug i was on. (it was mertazapine, fyi)

The thoughts were... i don't know how to describe it... very... like different? maybe? than regular thoughts. its unlike anything any normal depressed person would experience, it was an echo in my head that twisted every little thing and replied to every stupid miniuscule thought with 'die'... its just... strange... ive never experienced anything like it before or since (was only on them for 3 months, ended up in hospital after an incident and they changed it and i havent had any problems since).

B3bomber

That's a little unnerving. It probably triggered the one part of your brain that even fucks with monks during meditation (they call them disturbing thoughts to say the least). Being chemically induced would amplify that from a fleeting thought into something you experienced. Both cases are thoughts of killing others or of killing yourself.

pixelkitteh

^ I think you might be right, it was honestly the strangest experience in my life, and I am grateful that it was caused by something that I could change. I can't even imagine having to live with that for an entire lifetime... I doubt it would be a long life.

B3bomber

Yeah. I don't understand how it can either. It should not be allowed if it effects even 1 person because it's pure torture.

pixelkitteh

I am sure i did a really terrible job of trying to explain it but it sounds like you have experienced the same thing.

B3bomber

Not long term, just the fleeting thoughts (research lead to that even monks in meditation get randomly kicked out of that mental state by it). Living that shit would suck.

CognitiveDissident5

Population control.

GoodGodKirk

I’m curious, only cause I don’t see the correlation, but how do antidepressants provide population control?

Gringojones

I believe he is talking about the killing part. But, looking at it from the end of complacent cattle, antidepressants may control your population and keep it docile. Lithium was the previous drug that was going to provide the docile population

GoodGodKirk

Lithium made them zombies.

These other drugs don’t work either, they may bandaid the situation, but they fix nothing.

Gringojones

And in 20 years they will have another drug

GoodGodKirk

20? I believe 2 years is the R&D time needed...

Gringojones

The research is still going for the current round of drugs.

GoodGodKirk

True, and FDA approval

Gringojones

FDA approval is just a few padded envelopes away.

GoodGodKirk

In other words, look for the corruption in the FDA!

Gringojones

I wouldn't be surprised. But, then again, I stopped being surprised by human greed long ago.

I remember a couple years ago a report came out that found that most experiments aren't repeatable. This includes drug trials. I also remember another report that stated that the effects of a new drug decreases in the population over time. As if once enough of the sample group stops benefitting from the placebo effect, the intended effect no longer works.

GoodGodKirk

yes, i remember that article, hard too find now but here's an alternative: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

And some drugs may only work for certain races. We're different biologically.

Gringojones

How dare you say we're all different. Don't you know about equality.

Too bad I'll never have sickle cell anemia.

GoodGodKirk

I wad going to have a witty response until your last sentence... fell of my chair laughing.

Gringojones

Lol

GoodGodKirk

deflated my response!

jwm5514

Because big bucks, goyim

GoodGodKirk

Or cause research monies must be made back regardless of outcomes?

B3bomber

No. They do not research that shit directly. It's paid for by taxes and often the labor is undergrads at major universities.

All pharma companies have an advertisement budget larger than R&D.

GoodGodKirk

The ideas may come from a Uni, but they're usually just that, ideas and maybe a prototype... but not a full scale business. That takes private money to make full scale.

B3bomber

You wish. They often make the undergrads do all that work and simply use as is or tweek it in production. Again, offload the R&D budget.

GoodGodKirk

undergrads can't touch, not allowed. graduate students can create whatever they want as long as its part of their program...And most of the times the grad student is teaching the class while the professor is doing the research, who is really just looking for a money maker while getting paid to research.

B3bomber

Oh I've seen a few articles with students doing the research. It was their field though.

GoodGodKirk

If they're articles, like jstor.org or something, thats a grad student.

Undergrads do the monkey work. # of vials, drip # of # into vial and record what happens into database. next...

the professor and grad students are responsible, undergrads not so much. They also arent listed on the research paper.

B3bomber

I was definitely referring to the monkey work. They make students do the actual research part (trial and error) and of course they don't get credit. Not even when they're the ones repeating the tests for results to make sure.

GoodGodKirk

Those tasks are mind numbingly boring.

Been there, fuck that.

B3bomber

Yeah... and you pay to be there to do them!

GoodGodKirk

Pre job training?

Not really.

Memediana_Jones

Its the guns though goy. Give them up, think of the children. You dont hate children do you? You aryan monster.