WagonBurner

https://web.archive.org/web/20180402000000 */http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/mainstream-media-blackout-as-italian-parliamentary-commission-find-major-problems-with-vaccines-after-an-18-year-investigation-finds-higher-risks-of-death-and-illnesses-such-as-cancer-autoimmune-dis/

Dougal_McHaggis

Vaccines work. Every one of you conspiracy quack beleiving motherfuckers would be tripping over yourselves to get the rabies vaccine shots if you ever got bit.

qwop

There is no conspiracy in an 18-year study. So don't try and bend the facts. Vaccines cause damage, period. There may be situations when they can help, but to categorically classify them as "safe and effective", is just not true, and it is time to wake up to this fact, instead of trying to bury both your own and other people's head in the sand, like you're trying to do just now.

Dougal_McHaggis

You get exposed to more inorganics drinking tap water or having a shower. The amount they found is miniscule.

If you have a normal immune system and gene expression already its fine.

All this autoimmune and autusm comes from weak sheltered suburban immune systems that havent been stressed enough.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoOscroun5A

BARRETT001

Anyone have a link for a English version of the actual report? Would love to read this for myself as I have 11 month old twins but need help finding hard facts that aren't from an unknown website to red pill their pediatrician.

qwop

The first link at the top of the article leads to Google Drive, which contains the English translations of the study.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WuCxYpIwQJFjh1fzwLXgf6krtOEESFUQ

2calculated

Don't bother trying to redpill doctors. They're either dumb as bricks or in on it. Just deny all vaccines and hold your ground.

Travisty

Don't trust the doctors, trust me!

Fattynextdoor

So poilo is just a myth right?

2calculated

Polio is exaggerated and transmitted through fecal matter. The jew wants you to think everyone who got polio became a cripple and the vaccine was magical and saved the whole world.

Fattynextdoor

And water...and food...generally really poor conditions.

Because there is a chance that you might become cripple? No..once you've got it, you're crippled for life. The vaccine can't help you then...are you for real?

100LinksToGunter

I suppose the question is: Would you want to save the kinds of people who live in shitty conditions that (insert any bacteria/virus) festers in?

If they don't/won't improve their surroundings by ignorance, shouldn't they die off rather than help the next non curable outbreak of some mutation that's resistant to our current drugs?

Say you save 1% of the population by giving everyone vaccines, what if saving everyone creates something super shitty because the kinds of people who have terrible hygiene in the first place, wouldn't have gotten whatever disease they have if they weren't the kind of people they are.

Considering how wrong our government is on pretty much everything, is it a surprise that people don't trust them with this either?

Fattynextdoor

You think people should die because they were born poor and uneducated...I don't think I can reproach that honestly.

They can't because they're poor and ignorant arguably. Do you understand the conditions in a third world country or not? Wait...so your plan is to kill millions of people before they can contract and spread disease which could be prevented....are you psychotic by any chance?

One could argue it is evolution and the survival of the fittest however where would you draw the line playing god...deciding who is worthy of living or dying? I mean, what about the black plague? Should the while of europe just be put to the sword because they were ignorant and poor which helped the spread?

You're third paragraph is ...hardly decipherable. Can you try that again please?

Our government? I live down under, mate.

swastikawaii

I think you should die because you're an intolerable cuck.

100LinksToGunter

You think people should die because they were born poor and uneducated

Yes, they wouldn't be uneducated if their parents actually taught them stuff to survive. "Don't eat your food with your hands after playing with shit Jimmy!" Not hard?

They can't because they're poor and ignorant arguably. Do you understand the conditions in a third world country or not? Wait...so your plan is to kill millions of people before they can contract and spread disease which could be prevented....are you psychotic by any chance?

No, I don't care if they live or die. I'm saying it's not my problem. Just like my health has nothing to do with you half way across the planet. How is my health your problem?

One could argue it is evolution and the survival of the fittest however where would you draw the line playing god...deciding who is worthy of living or dying? I mean, what about the black plague? Should the while of europe just be put to the sword because they were ignorant and poor which helped the spread?

Not my problem, I'm just a single faggot with one opinion, which may very well be wrong, but imo isn't. Again: my health, my problem, your health, your problem. If I want to get vaccinated because I'm scared of a crippling disease then I'll make sure I get sorted out, but that isn't for you or anyone else to decide what's best for me.

You're third paragraph is ...hardly decipherable. Can you try that again please?

Eh i'll try,

If you vaccinate everyone to the point you stop a virus, when it mutates (and eventually it will) and evolves you are back to where you started, but this time no preventative measures.

Ok so what? Well now you have a populace that thought it was safe and couldn't be arsed with good hygiene spreading yet another disease, rather than letting people with bad health tactics die off or willingly change the way they behave for the better. This is the only problem I have with government enforced vaccines, you save the people who don't give a shit.

I just say "our government" for speed, I don't really care who. "Authoritative body" might make more sense. Immunize the country (I live in UK) then invite in a bunch of people who carry a clusterfuck of diseases. Makes perfect sense.

2calculated

Polio is mostly asymptomatic ! What don't you understand about that.? Very few get crippled and how can we trust all the data for sure?

CowWithBeef

This finds that combination vaccines are more damaging than single vaccines. If you want a Pertussis vaccination, it's better to use Daptacel than Pediarix(bigger combo) for example. Never do more than one shot at a time. The poorly designed and greedy vaccine schedule is a public health disaster. It's possible that some of the vaccines are actually good for your baby. It's not possible that doing multiple of them at once is good for your baby. There are also diminishing returns on booster shots. Consider doing fewer of them.

Ashra

The cumulative number of adverse reactions on the vaccine leaflets analyzed amounted to 240. Note: the Commission only analyzes the vaccine leaflets here, but the number of adverse event reactions in the follow up reports are much higher, e.g. A 2011 confidential report of Infanrix hexa (that includes DTP) mentions 825 different side effects, with more than 500 not mentioned in pre-licensing phase, of which 50 are serious adverse advent reactions (2)

No thanks.

I appreciate you doing your research and only giving your kid 3 delayed shots rather than the dozens they recommend.

I didn't give my daughter any. Everyone that meets her has always said how smart and well spoken she is. They are surprised at how young she is. Could be a coincidence, but I will be repeating the personal research.

CowWithBeef

Zero vaccines is within the scope of reasonable conclusions. It's very difficult to calculate the risks and benefits, especially if you think there might be a cumulative effect. There is no study done on the whole schedule. The fda approves one at a time.

The top 3 in the USA in benefit:risk by my calculations are ACTHiB, Prevnar 13(Pc), and Daptacell(DTaP). I wish they offered a less harmful Pertussis vaccine by itself instead of DTaP too.

qwop

If you've ever watched the Vaxxed channel on Youtube, you will see they have interviewed over 1000 families with vaccine injuries, including also unvaccinated families with healthy kids.

The Vaxxed team at this point already says they can often spot the difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated children without interviewing the parents. So no, I highly doubt it is a coincidence. The evidence points more and more towards the fact that vaccines cause both neurological and immunological damage. Damage that would be clearly visible if someone would ever bother to do an epidemiological statistical analysis of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children.

It is quite frightening to realize, that we have basically created a whole neurologically damaged society through the modern vaccine practice.

Ashra

Yeah, I don't personally think it's a coincidence either. My husband and I did a lot of research before coming to the conclusion not to vaccinate.

I think it is disgusting that anti-vaxxers are painted as stupid people who would rather "children and elderly die" than look at the "real government studies" that show vaccines fix the world's problems.

Thanks for your comment.

G0atku

cow, rotteuxx is a known paid criminal militant SJW shill from r/shitredditsays ; this criminal is paid to come here, infiltrate, then participate in the takeover/destruction of voat. from manufacturing drama to remove good mods from subs, to committing crimes like harassment and defamation per se in order to muddy waters/poison the well about those that speak up against the takeover, rotteuxx has a long and consistent track record of criminal and anti-speech activities on voat.

downvoat and ignore.

CowWithBeef

Redpilling a shill on rejecting the basic assumptions about vaccines won't cause harm. Perhaps he'll become ourguy after realizing we only look radical because we are well informed in an ocean of ignorance.

Rotteuxx

You're replying to SaneGoat, fyi...

CowWithBeef

Fuck really? His new tactic of engaging in civilized discourse is really dirty.

2calculated

Or deny vaccinate because its retarded to give people drugs with side effects for things they arent even sick with.

Fattynextdoor

Right? Have you heard about Pakistan and polio at this point in time?

qwop

Well have YOU heard about India and the polio epidemic caused by their vaccine program? They only changed the name to cover up for the failure, and people with vaccine damaged are said to suffer from "acute flaccid paralysis", or "atypical polio". Those are both the code words for "vaccine induced polio". Look it up, and stop drinking the cool aid and spreading the complete lie about polio prevention with vaccines. Vaccines were never the cause for the decline in polio, and the story of polio prevention through vaccines is as much a lie as the holohoax.

2calculated

Muuuhhh polio!

Transmitted through fecal matter. Iron lungs are Hollywood bullshit scare tactics. Most polio is asymptomatic.

Polio vaccine is stupid and caused all sorts of issues, probably more problems than polio itself. The jew takes it and spins it. Polio was eradicated through improved sewage. Not the vaccine.

elitch2

Yes, this. Polio dropped dractically around the same time that indoor plumbing became common. Wash your hands, you filthy heathens.

Fattynextdoor

25 out 100 is a cause for concern. Seeming that it is so contagious it is a matter of herd immunity to protect people.

So you're arguing because most cases are asymptomatic we should allow it enough people and time to mutate?

Citation please gtfo. I don't like idle bullshitters.

Btw do you eat fish?

BoraxTheFungarian

Surely the massive vaccination of an entire population of people using an unknown, previously unused genetic therapy wouldn't have any overcasting, asymtpomatic responses in the populous in which it is injected over time! People are totally fine now, and without Polio. Problem solved... /s

I'm sure polio would have sort of faded eventually without vaccines. Autism rates are off the charts now. I'm not saying it's the vaccines, but we're not heealthier. I don't understand how people can be so oblivious to that. More sustenance than ever, more medical care, better technology, not healthier.

2calculated

Vaccines are poison and full of satanic stuff like aborted fetal tissue and formaldehyde

Rotteuxx

Mind I I ask about your background ? You seem somewhat well informed about vaccines.

CowWithBeef

I read "the vaccine book" cover to cover then reread each vaccine I wasn't sure about. Came to conclusions about which vaccines are best and worst. My son will get a total of 3 shots and I delayed it until 6 months. I might have done more shots earier if he was formula fed, going to daycare, or had a sibling going to school/daycare.

CowWithBeef

Yes. It's written from a pro vaccine and pro vaccine choice perspective. He lays out as directly as possible how terrible the diseases are and how terrible the vaccines are. Ge gives recommendations for alternative vaccine schedules to minimize risk without losing effectiveness. If you understand the book you'll be able to calmly debate your pediatrician from an informed position.

wawhite13

If you don't mind, what vaccines are you choosing to do?

CowWithBeef

ACTHiB, Prevnar 13 (Pc), and Daptacel (DTaP).

BoraxTheFungarian

He's gettin that good ol' unpasteurized mother's milk! Growin' that immune system right! Seriously though, in my estimation, breastfeeding from the mom who is a healthy minded person is probabpy the best thing a baby can have medically speaking. I don't know why it isn't stressed more. Its like they just gloss over super important shit. Like, the very first innoculation on your child's skin will either be your own vaginal/some skin ones if born naturally, or conversely the doctors' and assistants' skin bacteria if born in the operating room via cessarian. CRAZY. And that bacteria is very important. All of it is. We are just beginning to learn about the microscopic biodiversity in indoor environments. I'm not even sure if they've begun studies on cars or airplanes... Probably, but I assure you they data is scarce. The world is crazy and dirty. Also we need to supplement bees and people with mushrooms. Especially given the modern environment.

CowWithBeef

That probably should have been multiple paragraphs. Breastmilk is definitely underrated by the health system.

CognitiveDissident5

All this has been known from the outset but the facts have been suppressed.Got to keep big pharma in business.

2calculated

Of course. Only reason anyone would support vaccines is because they think doctors are infallible and will never lie to you! Appeal to authority.

Fattynextdoor

So every doctor is a complete and utter liar?

Every. Single. Doctor. In the world? Fucking really?

Dysnomia

No they're just mostly obedient sheep. You don't survive decades of school without having subordinate habits. They follow orders. If the authority told them that oranges caused cancer, they'd start demonizing parents who feed their children oranges.

u_spez_is_a_cuck

How much time do you think Doctors spend on vaccines in med school? They are taught that a certain position is valid and that the science backs it up. They then parrot that same information as gospel.

Here is video of a medical doctor discussing this very issue. https://youtu.be/f-17u7y9VaQ

swastikawaii

More like, doctors under the Western system of medicine are only permitted to operate under a narrowly defined set of rules and conditions, which is synergistic with the pharma industry. Most of the treatments in our medical system focus on mitigating symptoms with drugs. You're a fatfuck with diabetes? Don't worry about it, take this drug. Hypertension? Take this drug. 90% of issues could be resolved with lifestyle changes (including ignoring the government sponsored food-guide pyramid and eating real fucking food instead of bullshit).

qwop

Do you really think the doctors know what they are talking about? Fucking really? They are as indoctrinated, ignorant, and brainwashed as yourself. They know absolutely nothing.

Everything they "know", they have been told by the pharmaceutical industry.
Doctors are nothing more than pharmaceutical pill pushing industry puppets.

twistedmac11

Exactly. All propaganda. Doctors were the ones that spread the "eat bacon with breakfast, it's good for you" lies. And what about cigarettes? Good ol' Doc used to say that was good for you too. Who says doctors know best?

Fattynextdoor

Right so those, what, eight years of schooling means nothing aye? You're implying you know more than a doctor despite no medical background.

Your opinions aren't facts, get your tin foil hat off and stop insulting everyone's intelligence.

So every doctor and scientist complacent? Every. Single. One? Seriously?

ThirteenthZodiac

So every doctor and scientist complacent? Every. Single. One? Seriously?

Honestly? Yeah. Unless you meant "complicit," not "complacent," which would imply - at least to me - a level of malice, or at least intent, which I don't think is the case.

Look at the world we live in. I mean the Western world, the best humanity has to offer at the moment. I'm typing on a device literally not physically connected to another device, which is literally not physically connected to another device, to send electrical signals that travel through an incredibly dense network topology to eventually reach a server somewhere , so that you can read it later - and all that nonsense happens in... a second? Less, generally?

I "know" a lot about how all that works. I'm familiar with the OSI model, I took a bunch of classes on computer networking, have a BS in comp sci. The thing is, though, I'm not a hardware guy - never have been. Just not my gig. I sort of understand how computers work, on the metal: I know enough about assembly (the programming language one step up from literal 1's and 0's) to be able to probably follow a conversation about registers and coding "on the metal."

But ultimately? If someone along the way got their facts wrong, or I just misheard, it's entirely possible that I could be going through life with a complete misunderstanding of all sorts of things. Personally I don't like to be wrong, and I like knowing a bunch of stuff, so I try to corroborate things, research stuff; but most people? Most people just take what you tell them and run with it.

Eight years of education... just because you went to a school and were taught things, for one, doesn't mean you retained all of that, or that all of it was correct. Hell I still run into people today who think that your brain starts dying at 25, when I'd heard about a study that debunked that maybe 10 years ago. I'm sure there are probably physicians today who think that, as well, who had their education in the 90's and are still practicing (presuming they aren't in that particular field, anyway).

The point here is that unless you uncover the knowledge yourself, directly, you are relying on someone else to inform you about the nature of reality. That's not inherently bad - there's a ton of shit to know, and we can't all live forever - but it does mean that you need to think more carefully and critically about the things people tell you are true. I generally concur with the notion that someone with a solid education will probably be more right than wrong about things in their field , but things like vaccines... if there's a potential ulterior motive?

And keep in mind, too, that a lot of stuff we "know" today is based on statistics. In the sense that people take a study of, say, twenty people, and make conclusions based on that sample. The "p < .05" thing is completely and utterly arbitrary , and if you study statistics at all, the more and more terrifying that becomes. Because you can twist and torture data to make it say a lot of different things... and if your paycheck is being paid by someone who really wants p to be less than .05, well... if not wealth, then the status and prestige it brings. Most people are easily bought.

swastikawaii

So you've got no argument other than an "Appeal to Authority" ? fuck off. Systems are designed to control you.

Dysnomia

Lol

These people who think schools teach critical thinking. Must have a degree in obedience or something.

12368677?

Exactly. Bottom line is that doctors don't do their own research.

2calculated

They all learn out of corrupt text books. And not all doctors push vaccines.

Fattynextdoor

You gonna make some wonderfully luminous citation now?

DeltaBravoTango

So there is NO other reason? You know, like evidence that they work? That's not a good reason?

turitelle

The only evidence the drug companies and the CDC telling the peons that they work.

SolarBaby

The problem is not whether vaccine science is valid or not so much as the quality of the product and the potential for adulterants combined with a constant push to demonize those who wish to opt out of vaccinations as a way to continue moving to a medical tyranny wherein refusing becomes a crime.

Imagine if they started injecting something poisonous into oranges for some stated reason like pest control or as a preservative. Masses of people stop buying oranges because they have valid concerns about the poison added to the orange. Hysterical media pundits cry about the harm happening to the orange industry and make people sound crazy for fearing oranges. Of course it's not the oranges they fear, but the poison being added to them.

The fact that we have seen in European countries that government officials receive vaccines without the adulterants that the normies get is very telling as to the shenanigans going on.

The veracity of the pro-vaccine propaganda is heavily called into question by any critical thinker when they are presented with a barrage of "public service advertisements" every year outright calling people "murderers" who don't get flu shots.

Baxter Pharmaceuticals shipped out deadly live virus in their flu shots during the swine flu scare several years ago. The living viruses in the thousands of shots had no part in the manufacture of the strain of virus the shot was supposed to protect against. It would have killed untold amounts of people and quite possibly spawned a real pandemic. Baxter is still in business.

The endless push with vaccines is to create medical tyranny where you are denied rights and severely punished for refusing a "medical treatment" from an incontrovertibly corrupt industry that kills more people a year in "mistakes" than the amount of people who die from not having medical care access.

It also gives the government direct unfettered access to your blood stream under threat of locking you up and abducting your children.

DeltaBravoTango

Wait, what's this about different vaccines for the elites?

swastikawaii

Similar shenanigans are used to track success rates for cancer treatments. If a patient is "cured" of cancer but dies a year later because the drugs involved have destroyed their liver, they're counted in the "success" column for cancer cures.

senpaithatignoresyou

This is where the insidious nature of the problem comes in: The vaccines that work are in the study, but the fake vaccines are out in the wild.

archive link: http://archive.is/deUvU

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/

This is a nasty rabbit hole. I suspect that they have been deliberately giving bad vaccines to places where the people do not align with the established political views, in order to control problematic populations.

then, when people ask questions, they pop out the good vaccines and say "See, this stuff is great!!"

The only answer is not just government auditing of the vaccines, but established third party auditing, like with a Major accounting firm. We may come to a point in human civilization where people will not touch food and medicine unless an established third party says it is safe. It is a level of dystopia that i have never imagined possible.

2calculated

They work. So what? They have devastating side effects and screw up people's immune systems.

elitch2

I would love to see that evidence.

KingMortales

Does anyone you know have polio?

Dysnomia

They changed the criteria for diagnosis.

cases of aseptic (viral) meningitis or other enterovirus infections (typically coxsackie or echo viruses) which can cause transverse myelitis, were documented as polio. Cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which is a known adverse reaction that occurs following vaccination (Pentacel insert, page 7) may have also been improperly reported as polio, since they have similar symptoms (demyelination). It’s even been discovered that Franklin D Roosevelt likely had GBS, not polio.

u_spez_is_a_cuck

Polio rates were already declining prior to the introduction of the vaccine.

swastikawaii

The lack of polio is not evidence that all vaccines are safe.

UlyssesEMcGill

Can you show me the numbers 15 years preceding the polio vaccine, the year the vaccine was introduced, and the following 15 years?

Sanitation and diet played a bigger role than the shot