shmegegy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

' one Nation under God,'

seems overt to me. no conspiracy

shmegegy

is it a conspiracy?

TTrns

Yes. One could easily frame it that way, although they could just as easily choose not to. The facts of the matter would remain unchanged.

shmegegy

still, I think it's politics, not conspiracy.

Charlie_Prime

It's both.

Flesh_Mechanic

Has anyone ever stopped to think that America is essentially a Jewish lapdog that took all the useful Nazis after the war?

You'd think, given the reported scope and heinousness of the holocaust, that the Jews would lead a revolt or something.

shmegegy

the CIA used 1000 nazis in the cold war. I think it's more of a mexican standoff.

TTrns

If the Samoan lobby came to effectively control the English parliament through funding strategies and blackmail, and thereby got England to declare war on Tonga, would you not describe that as conspiratorial behavior?

shmegegy

are you claiming that Israeli gov't is blackmailing the US COG? That's a conspiracy I can see happening.. They would need to keep the nazis in check, and they apparently have all the dirt on sept. 2001.

TTrns

They would need to keep the nazis in check

Lol. Yeah, "Nazis" are controlling the US Govt. And the evidence of this is the massive over-representation of Zionist-Jews, and their corrupt lapdog politicians. It's all so obvious.

shmegegy

sure, there was no business plot, no operation paperclip, no OSS, no CIA and no 1000 nazis used as spies in the cold war. none of the events of 2001 or since parallel the rise of the 3rd reich. how sad

TTrns

no business plot, no operation paperclip, no OSS, no CIA and no 1000 nazis used as spies in the cold war

...none of which are evidence that "Nazis" control US political scene today. Instead, we have plenty of evidence that the Zionist lobby and its tentacles are the biggest player in town.

The Cold War communist spies in America were disproportionately Jewish, by the way. Did you know about that?

none of the events of 2001 or since parallel the rise of the 3rd reich. how sad

  • The rise of the Nazis was, to a significant extent, a reaction to Jewish power and ethnocentric corruption in Europe at the time - in the Weimar Republic and the violent Bolshevik revolutions in Russia, Hungary and Germany.

  • Since 2001 the US has been involved in Israeli proxy wars, not "Nazi" proxy wars.

How sad you don't understand history. Whatever you're selling here, nobody is buying.

shmegegy

who is plotting in secret with whom to do what?

Charlie_Prime

Put simply, rich people plot with each other to keep taking your money.

TTrns

As the precise mechanisms of the Israel lobby's influence over US lawmakers is, as you say, secret, the precise details of the "plots" and "plotters" are obviously unknown.

That said, clearly the Israel lobby influences (if not dictates) US foreign policy in the Middle East.

Perhaps you could now answer my question: in what way would you describe the subversion of (what ought to be) a sovereign democratic process by a foreign power as "not conspiratorial"?

shmegegy

for example, bush enacted the COG in 2001, and it runs to this day. US congress is simply there for appearances. it's overt, but not conspiratorial because it's overt... it wasn't widely known for years, and still most americans are unaware of the emergency gov't in place. still not a conspiracy.. the conspiracy is the events that brought it into play.

as for Israel, it's a no brainer that there is support for Israel - these are evangelsts, they want their jesus back.

TTrns

as for Israel, it's a no brainer that there is support for Israel - these are evangelsts, they want their jesus back.

Lol. It's not religious support. It's driven by money and access to privileged information, like everything else. Israel funds the candidates they want, and funds opponents of the candidates who oppose Zionist strategic goals. Very simple, only someone with a horse in the race would try to portray it differently.

shmegegy

then how is it a conspiracy? - it's overt. this shit belongs in politics, unless you think conspiracy theorists are ripe picking for white supremist groups?

TTrns

(Sigh). It's partially un-concealed, as in these rare moments on foreign TV when people are allowed to speak about what is going on. That is not the same thing as overt, is it? The precise mechanisms of control remain occluded.

jervybingly

Oh, my Buddha.

COUSCOUS

God's I am happy someone in the know is finally talking about and exposing this. Makes me sick.