IIJOSEPHXII

Because they need oil for installation, maintenance and distribution, they are only an extension of the oil industry. When the oil runs out wind and solar goes into liquidation.

AnmanIndustries

I recently went through a number of business portfolios for stock investments for a client. They were based in Australia, but most had farms over seas. I would invest in none of them. They were all in debt, all struggled to make profit and all their stock prices were heavily over priced for their value. None of them had enough funds to replace deteriorating generators when an entire farm came to the end of its life cycle. Meaning, more debt.

a100167

Who are they kidding with this shit? Some hook nosed devil payed for this shit piece I'll tell ya that.

RiverWind

This study is total bullshit. Wind power has huge potential to provide cheap, clean energy. Portugal has just gone 100% renewables, by the way.

The best way to harvest windpower is offshore. The winds are not obstructed by terrain there, and the sight and sound is far from human habitation. We have years of offshore oil technology to exploit now, as well as redundant oil platforms, that could be used.

Denmark did most to advance offshore wind technology, using iterative improvements.

Solar panels are becoming much cheaper, too.

Check out the documentary "Who killed the electric car?" and you will see that Big Oil is likely the motivator behind this bull.

Dark_Shroud

I'm a big supporter of solar panels but no way in hell would I ever invest in a "solar plant" in most parts of the world. The one out here in Chicago has been a financial disaster.

Wind farms are net positives in certain circumstances. Off shore is true but there has to be a certain level of wind year round to break even on costs during the life of the generator.

RiverWind

Thanks for the link, which I will look at later. Check out some new turbine ideas:

https://www.betterworldsolutions.eu/10-amazing-wind-turbines/

Dark_Shroud

Yeah those "Floating Wind turbines from Magenn" were featured in Big Hero 6 . Something I really like about the design is we should be able to attach those to sky scrappers and apartment buildings to directly off set their power consumption. If these do take off I'd hope we put cell repeaters and possible wireless internet repeaters as well.

qwop

Wind power has huge potential to provide cheap, clean energy

This is an unfortunate myth that is spread by the wind power industry. If this was true, then why are the household electricity prices the highest in the EU, in the two countries Denmark and Germany, where wind power is used the most?

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/8/8c/Electricity_prices %2C_first_half_of_year%2C_2015-2017.png

It's naive to assume there does not exist a huge lobbying industry behind wind power, just like any other industry. Just because they try and greenwash their image, does not mean this industry is not as ruthless as any other. In fact at the moment it is more ruthless than many other power industries, because like tobacco before cancer was admitted, the wind power industry is also actively papering over the downsides and negative effects of their operation.

RiverWind

I don't accept your argument.

Though electricity from wind power has been available for decades, the amount of investment in it has been trivial, relative to our research into the pursuit of oil or nuclear, for example. It is a travesty.

I think that you have not investigated recent research into wind. It is phenomenal what is possible, but Big Oil and Big Nuke have all the lobbyists and the money to ensure that attention and resources go completely the other way.

If you think wind is bullshit, take a look at this video. Do the math on the numbers. Advancing technology like this would take tiny assistance from the government, but the yields would be huge, and safe and available to everybody, not just corporations.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=P55HfnGR6kQ

WhiteSurvivalist

Nuclear power has massively superior potential, energy/power density is insanely good, reliability is incredible. I know it's all moot as few of us here could influence serious power production and most of us can setup a wind turbine ourselves trivially, but it's still something to weigh.

pby1000

Nothing can compete with nuclear. We also need solar on every house, and the utility companies need to be beaten into submission. They are taxpayer subsidized, so utilities should not be able to interfere with home solar.

RiverWind

There is a type of thorium reactor which is meant to have many benefits. Our Sun, Sol, is also a naturally occuring, nuclear reactor!

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

WhiteSurvivalist

You are right, I agree, but I hate solar power to be honest. Solar requires batteries, panels are fragile, sun doesn't always shine, snow and ice make the panels worthless.

qwop

Also there is a problem with how and what the panels are manufactured with. Nobody likes to talk about that much. They are nice and clean on the roof of your house, but they are not nice and clean taking into account the whole manufacturing cycle.

This is why "green" energy is mostly a scam. Similar problems with the batteries and their toxic materials.

ardvarcus

That wind turbines are not economically viable has been obvious to some of us from the beginning. Yet they are still being built with our tax dollars. Stupidity marches onward into the brave, new future.

derram

https://archive.fo/s6069 :

Study claims wind turbines are 'expensive and deeply inefficient' | Daily Mail Online

'The study, entitled Wind Power Reassessed: A review of the UK wind resource for electricity generation, recommends pushing ahead with nuclear power and gas-fired power stations. '

'Wind farms will never be able to ensure the nation’s lights stay on because they are ‘expensive and deeply inefficient’, it is claimed today. '

'The Department for Energy and Climate Change said the country needs a wide mix of energy sources. '

'Families and businesses have paid billions of pounds to subsidise the building of wind farms, both on-shore and off-shore, through their energy bills, sending tariffs soaring. '

'The EU Renewable Energy Target decrees that 15 per cent of all energy in the UK - or 30 to 35 per cent of electricity - is generated by renewable sources by 2020. '

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thelma

They are always turning because they are using power to turn them--they are not catching wind power at all.

Kill all the birds.

Travisty

They use power to genre wind with the fans to turn windmills to create power!

thelma

Mission accomplished !