performance

Where's the actual Supreme Court ruling? I followed the link on this article, which goes to some shit site with no references.

qwop

I have no skin in this game other than I tried to google this stuff to see if I could find something. This came up as the 3rd or 4th hit. "Vaccines" are mentioned 60 times, and "unavoidably unsafe" is mentioned 29 times. No clue if this is the particular ruling though; there's 57 pages of text:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

performance

An amicus curae is just a position taken by an advisor to the court. It is in no way a Supreme Court decision.

madmalloy

Feel free to look it up yourself.

performance

You posted the article, which has no source so I asked for one. Put up or admit it's bs.

madmalloy

Can't look up stuff yourself? You know people can teach you how to do that sort of thing.

performance

When you claim something the onus is on you to prove it. That's how discussions work. If you don't have proof or references to back up your claims then you're full of shit and intellectually lazy. Instead of arguing you could've posted proof but you'd rather not, which is telling.

madmalloy

Wow, you really don't know how to search for stuff! Me? I'm distracted by friends and family on this Holiday. So I hope you can handle it when I say "Piss off you little wanker".

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Simonsaysgoat

My concern is for the future. What do we do when we have no new ways to kill these diseases and they have evolved to resist our drugs? What hapoens to human immune systems over time?

qwop

I wouldn't worry too much. Edward Jenner came up with the first vaccine in 1796. We managed to get to 1796 without vaccines. I doubt we'll all drop dead if vaccines were suddenly eliminated. In fact I think a lot of chronic illnesses and strange symptoms would vanish from our population instead.

Good immunity is a lot about nutrition, and the other important puzzle piece is hygiene and sanitation. Those play a much bigger role than anything else.

Simonsaysgoat

I agree with your second paragraph.

How would things drop off if we stopped using medicine? That doesnt even make sense.

That wasnt my point though. My point is that we are forcing these diseases to change and evolve much faster than they would naturally.

This creates resistant strains.

With resistant strains comes new challenges for new meds.

What if we can find something to kill these new more powerful diseases?

Over prescribing anti biotics is creating a world where our own genes and the genes of these diseases are changing disproportionately to mother nature.

Mother nature has a much longer and,more successful history than human manipulation,

qwop

Ok sorry. I may have misunderstood your original comment. I was of the impression you were advocating for vaccines in order to protect against these new diseases. In case you were not, then I misunderstood.

Otherwise I do agree with everything you say above. But the reason serious disease would drop off, is because vaccines create some of these diseases in form of damaging human biology. That's what I meant by drop-off: we eliminate vaccines, we would eliminate a lot of modern ailments.

Also you're rightly concerned about antibiotic resistance, but did you know that vaccines also mutate viruses? Think about that for a moment in terms of consequences. We have the same form of change in proportion to mother nature here also.

Btw. another interesting factor; it appears glyphosate also contributes to antibiotic resistance.

Interesting stuff, since it's the most widely used pesticide in the world. There's another rabbit hole to go down into in terms of disease progression.

And your last sentence...agree fully.

Simonsaysgoat

I see what you mean, vaccines cause issues that would disappear if we stopped using said vaccines. Is that correct? Just want,to make sure I,have that right. I would agree with this.

qwop

Yes. Correct.