seeker

There are two things:

  1. Power always corrupts. People have been saying this forever, and it's pretty much a proven fact . A one world government would be a dark age for humanity, with corruption and misery on a scale never seen before.

  2. I also see it the same way as natural selection or evolution. One world government is inherently flawed because it removes the possibility of progress of humanity through natural selection, the exploration of different rules of law, with the best/most effective ways of life continuing, and worse/ineffective ways dying off. One world government is like a species with no competition, no pressure to change. It's a dead end of evolution like the shark that hasn't changed in a 100 million years. The effective schooling systems of Finland, drug decriminalization of Portugal, public healthcare of Canada, free college tuition in Germany. Programs like these might be impossible in a one world government, or they exist, there is nothing to compare against to know if they are "good for humanity".

boltsand

  1. Yes, power corrupts. That's why there are checks and balances. It seems like you're assuming a global government would be a 1984-esque oligarchical collective. I see a world government having a similar relationship to an individual country as that between our states and our federal government. Just one step higher. I think a more realistic version of global government would be closer to several "union"-style cooperatives like the EU or other trade/mutual defense arrangements, but that's just a guess.

  2. Your argument regarding evolution is flawed.

One world government is like a species with no competition, no pressure to change. It's a dead end of evolution like the shark that hasn't changed in a 100 million years.

Evolutionary pressures are always being exerted. Sharks and alligators for that matter haven't changed much, that's true. This means that they are very well suited to their current environment. Evolutionary biology isn't really relevant, so I'll move on.

The effective schooling systems of Finland, drug decriminalization of Portugal, public healthcare of Canada, free college tuition in Germany. Programs like these might be impossible in a one world government...

Source please? They seem to be possible now, so I don't see why that would stop.

As to whether or not something is "good for humanity" as you say it, sure there is a way to quantify that. Statistics. Per capita GDP, standard of living, employment, birth rates, death rates, crime rates, and vast amounts of others can be measured objectively.

boltsand

right. giving one person that power would be bad. what about a global representative democracy?

69withbillcosby

Power should be broken down into smaller segments in order to govern the people more effectively and to give the people what they want.

un1ty

Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper.

Great book!

un1ty

I have pondered this many times. I like to think of Star Trek or even Star Wars in that they both have a very large centralized government. Star Trek (books) detail how humans on Earth went though WW3, devastated the planet and most humans were killed off - I honestly think it even goes on to say something like 80% (Georgia Guidestones?)... Either way, I think that form of government seems like it would still have it's own problems but is manageable...

In the real world however, there are too many goddamned corrupt asshats with not a care for others. No empathy, no ethics; only self-serving politics and greed. The largest issue is the loss of personal sovereignty, something that perhaps only a sovereign nation could possibly protect.

Impious

Oh, are we doing fortune cookies? The corruption of concentration leads to power.

Impious

Depends which world government you're talking about.

k_digi

I think we are actually seeing the end stages of "government", gov doesn't really exist except to facilitate the extraction of labor from the people, so considering that is becoming well understood, lots of systems seem to be trending towards autonomous decentralized or semi decentralized systems.

Summary:

Maybe there will be some sort of "rep" system but I honestly don't think "government" will exist much longer into the future.

Impious

Well said, though it may take a while yet. Also, we already have one world government it's just an awkward, shadowy hodge-podge and therefore most people don't have a say in it. /u/k_digi is right though, sooner or later the whole world is going to realize they could just sit down and talk things out, presumably with the right technology ;)

Rigel

What's so bad about being held down and fucked in the ass every day for the rest of your life?

boltsand

Can't downvoat yet, but I'll just note that this isn't even remotely constructive. Thanks though.

FacelessOne

Well of course the entire justice system would be completely different, how nice of our supreme court to not allow video recordings.

Open Source Technologies could well solve every transparency issue in government, the cost is minuscule compared to what we pay for the systems in use today, coupled with a not for profit education and medical system.

If you ask yourself in the world we live in today, is technology used to exploit people or are we the human race exploiting technology to the fullest potential to make the world a better place? Why would who want which of those scenarios to be the status quo?

FacelessOne

What if all of the surveillance technology being used today was pointed at the people "In-charge," made publicly accessible at all times and stored forever, just in case of reviews.

I do believe the power of technology can create inescapable justice in this matter.

taxation_is_slavery

Different strokes for different folks. Governments force people to cooperate, usually to enrich a select few. They are immoral.

Besides that, imagine your world government is Saudi royalty or Fatty Kim, who the fuck could tolerate that?

33degree

No taxation without representation. The people of Europe have no say in the EU. We will have no say in the Trans-Atlantic Union. If you want to understand what a One World Government will be like, listen to Aaron Russo who was told the plan by Nick Rockefeller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

Super-Script

So like... more of the same, right?

boltsand

best reply so far, thanks!

boltsand

I can see how that would be a problem. What if it were a UN type thing, but you know...less useless?

boltsand

That assumes there would be executive control by one person. I agree that's a bad idea.

echinos

Another point - if we get to that point and find out it is bad, what the hell do we do about it? Would you rather stop it now or have to start a civil war to get out of it?

Any... region? Former country? that wanted to secede / separate etc would not have any hope of being successful. The whole rest of the world would be against you. There would be no more allies.

boltsand

So...why try, just in case it goes pear shaped?

echinos

Well, I'm saying more that if it does go pear-shaped, there's no way back. It's not the only argument against it, just an additional point.

anamorphic

Do you see what's happening in Greece?

boltsand

Yes. What about that relates to global government?

shmegegy

we'd certainly screw it up, and it would likely be dominated by psychopaths. besides, look at Greece in the EU for an example. there are economies of scale and you can't expect all countries to work the same way. if there are global issues we can use other mechanisms to agree and enforce them.

I'm just as happy having a multipolar world. getting rid of the nukes and space weapons would also be a bonus.

boltsand

I hear that, I'm definitely on board with disarming all nukes.