If the ..er ..Russians have compromised our elections, shouldn't we go back to paper ballots? ( conspiracy )

submitted by lordvain2

I mean if we are concerned about the security of our elections shouldn't we at least suspect that the computerized voting is compromised too?

majb

You know that is a logical answer. However, for that very reason, certain political groups will not approve because they know without the possibility of a rigged election their candidate will have a lower chance of winning. It's just too easy with the system that we have.

DanHalen

But then the Russians would just come here and be bussed to locations to vote.

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SquarebobSpongebutt

You have to have a version of both. JFK famously won Illinois (and the election) because real ballot boxes disappeared and substitute ones full of D votes appeared. Paper makes it easy to cheat locally, computers make it easy to hack remotely. We should have a system where your vote is given a number not tied to your person. That number allows you (or anyone who has it) to go look at your vote online. It also means that you could have a neutral party audit the vote easily. The code that assigns the numbers and counts the votes MUST be open source though.

totes_magotes

The electoral college, silly.

Eualos

We should also go back to having an anti-propaganda law on the ballots

ReddittRefugee

Anti-propoganda election laws have been around since the 1800s. They're just not enforced.

For example, when Democrat poll workers stuck a huge poster of Obama up inside a polling station, that was illegal, but they never get prosecuted, so they keep doing it:

https://azconservative.org/2012/11/06/dems-cheating-their-tails-off-again/

J_Darnley

I don't think that is currently possible, at least not in the US. You need government issues electronic IDs to identify yourself. However that removes the possibility of an anonymous ballot. At least you can't be sure that someone isn't logging something, somewhere.

If people, election officials, and government are not keen to drop electronic voting machines then more people need to argue for them to be as regulated and open to inspection as casino gambling machines. That would a a first baby step.

idoru

Hanging chads.... (No not those kind of chads)

clamhurt_legbeard

Obviously, yes.

Paper ballots only.

GapingAnus

I don't see why you can't do both. Paper ballots counted electronically first so the news get their data quickly and manual counting to make sure.

clamhurt_legbeard

Are you ok with a swing of 20,000 votes because of electronic hacking?

The first number is the one people's brains think is real.

Don't let them control it.

Paper only.

SquarebobSpongebutt

Paper ballots solve nothing. They will just pull a Chicago and make the real boxes fall into the river while their substitute boxes go to get counted.

clamhurt_legbeard

They tried that in Tennessee once.

The Battle of Athens shows why paper ballots are the solution, and the consequences the politicians have for tampering.

GapingAnus

The first number is the one people's brains think is real.

Ok, that's a fair point but it's a failure of critical thinking and lack of patience, not technology. I don't like choosing a technically inferior solution to cover human failings.

The proper cure to the very real problem of assuming the first number is real lies, like so many other things, in a greater focus on critical thinking in schools.

clamhurt_legbeard

I don't like choosing a technically inferior solution to cover human failings.

This sounds like a fundamental philosophical difference between you and me.

You're calculating a method's suitability without fully taking human behavior into account. I am specifically choosing a method that clashes the least with human behavior.

Enhancing society's critical thinking is good, but will never eliminate our bias towards an anchor number.

GapingAnus

You don't need to. You only need to generally reduce it beneath the noise floor. You will never eliminate, say, unjustified bigotry but through education you can help enough people differentiate between justified and unjustified discrimination that it becomes a non-issue.

Either way, you're probably right in that it's a philosophical difference since I very much think we could return to a less hysteria-prone society where this sort of solution would be possible.

Warnos44

Why not do both at the same time. Paper ballot like a bubble sheet that can be fed into a machine, after it is scanned you hand to the assigned counters. It wouldn't be too much extra work.

clamhurt_legbeard

yeah

how else could george soros own voting goy

spookybm

You cant blockchain paper when it is not digital, niggletribs

spookybm

Would also be extremely expensive

timemage2

for who?

spookybm

Taxpayers who have to pay for the manpower to count votes manually

timemage2

in america? it would be nothing. we did it 30 years ago