AnneFranksDildo

Fucking muslims

Quickdraw08

first thought was how does everyone in the car die. That limo wasn't torn up enough to kill everyone inside it and how are two people outside killed when the limo didn't even go into the parking lot. There is some really funny business going on with this accident. They keep trying to point to the owner and driver but I think the answer will be with one of the passengers.

drakesdoom2

Limo crashes can look weird as the mid section is usually made from strong steel as it can't sag. It has no give to the structure there. Then on both ends you have normal car body welded on with crumple zones designed to work with a fraction of the weight of a new vehicle. Combine that with a large interior space with people moving about and it gets ugly quick.

That being said my money is on Muhammed deciding they were too annoying and flooring it downhill through the intersection.

polkadottedhero

Here is a rundown of the victims. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/limo-crash-victims-identified-schoharie-new-york-2018-10-09/

A couple of tech engineers and a couple low level political types. Otherwise, nothing too interesting unless someone knew something they shouldn't.

That being said, I'm not sure how much we should trust the news on this as the original reports said they were a wedding party on the way to a reception. They even had an uncle say he was supposed to go to the wedding, but went hunting with his son instead. I can't find the articles from Sunday with this info though.

Register123

Just posted the following to another thread on the same topic:

Just found this:

"• Axel’s brother, Rich Steenburg, was also killed and is survived by his 10-year-old daughter and 14-year-old stepson. The Steenburg brothers both worked for GlobalFoundries, which produces semiconductors."

Found this abotu globalfoundries - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/27/globalfoundries_scuttles_7nm/

hmm.

edit 3:

Holy fuck, they didn't just work there, they were the co-founders - https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2018/10/amy-axel-steenburg-schoharie-wedding-limo-crash-victims/

So atm we have:

Founders of a business 5.5 billion USD in revenue in 2016, that just stopped making the 7nm chips, die together in a freak 'party bus' accident... lol why were these what must of been billionaires riding in a fucking 20 year old limo?

A call to all autists, help me out here

edit: Above is the only source I can find for them being the founders, tbh it wouldn't make much sense as they were only early 30s, they would of been very early - mid 20s when the company was founded. but not impossible.

TwitterBannedIt

It's probably a good idea to point out that sometimes the good guys covertly whack people too.

Maybe these guys, were not, 'good guys'.

Without further info, I agree, it is impossible to know whether to mourn or be grateful for the 'hit'.

Adminstrater

I have no evidence, but what if this limo crash is connected to the limo crash that killed Princess Dianna?

That was the last time I have any memory of a breaking story of a limo crash, but this one might be national news because of the number of victims. How often do limos crash? I am sure when they do, there is a lot of bodily injury due to people not wearing seat belts.

Yuke

Diana died in a car crash, the car being a Mercedes-Benz S280.

Adminstrater

Oh, I thought it was a limo.

I wonder where I came up with that thought.

GoofyGrape

When the Detroit Red Wings were celebrating the Stanley Cup in 1997, one of the limos got in an accident. The two people not wearing a seat belt never walked again. The person who was wearing a seat belt played the next season. That driver also had a suspended license due to drunk driving.

It does seem odd though that this death count was so high.

CatsControlTheEU

All these theories are possible but i'm going to be the Occam's razor guy on this one because when I first read about the story when it was breaking news I already guessed exactly what happened.

Fatal crashes involving chop shop limos are actually really common. It's actually become very typical for self made limo drivers to essentially have a limo 'built' from old vehicles which usually involves combining multiple vehicles and parts. This makes the overall structure of the 'limo' very weak and not even remotely up to any vehicle safety standards. If a fucking smart car crashes into one of those limos it will crumple up like the Hindenberg. You might as well be a person smacking into a wall at 60mph in one of those things.

Scipio113

Yeah, it's not far fetched to think that a middle easterner with his own shitty limo service wouldn't cut corners and have terrible employees.

Yuke

I largely agree, it's just the part about every single one of them dying that is a little suspect. You'd think that all those bodies crammed into a relatively small space would surely have acted as a buffer for at least some of the people.

CatsControlTheEU

This is true. Though smacking into a body at high speed isn't that much better than snacking into the interior of the car.

Nonetheless one or more survivors though badly injured is far more likely than all of them dying immediately. The circumstances of the crash would have had to have been very severe I think. It's hard to tell from the photo but the vehicle doesn't look like it was involved in a roll over scenario which could definitely kill everyone. From the details it went straight through a stop sign (odd, impaired driver? Or even possibly sabotage) and went straight into a parked SUV. So high speed, no seatbelts, and immediately stopping. Evidently everyone would be flung around at least once.

It is suspicious, I will give you that. Most being dead, severe damage, permanently paralyzed even. But all were dead before arriving at the hospital.

Yuke

Exactly. Those people weren't all lined up in the back seat and then all of a sudden got flung forwards 20ft inside a vehicle so that they all hit the interior etc. It would have been people in various locations within the vehicle being flung in the same general direction, but colliding with each other too, which would have slowed things and softened things, even if to a small degree. All dying is dubious and the only photo I've seen so far of the limo doesn't look all that bad. I think it's fair to have questions about this one.

CatsControlTheEU

I think it is possible for all of them having died but without an estimated speed it's hard to tell. That doesn't look like a high speed road. I would suppose speeds of over 90 could result in an all dead scenario from the sheer force but there would be no reason to go that fast in that kind of vehicle and especially not on that road unless intentional.

More looking into on both the passengers and driver is warranted. People are focusing on the company owner but he's alive and well. I think the prime suspect if there is foul play is the driver himself. Unfortunately cars do not have a black box so it is up to whether or not the crash investigation details get released, as the investigators can typically guess the speed range.

Joe10jo

If this had happened, say, a year from now, then yeah, I’d attribute it to mechanical or driver’s error. But that it happened working a week or so.... def suspicious.

CatsControlTheEU

If they can confirm that any of the people inside are connected then yes, I would definitely agree with you, the timing is too close to talk up to mere coincidence. It certainly would not have been difficult to sabotage a vehicle of this sort.

But barring further information, still just seems to be an accident in my mind.

idk

Agreed. Also, if you look at their Yelp reviews they have multiple bad reports about broken vehicles, drivers acting irrationally (like they're on drugs), and reckless driving.

CatsControlTheEU

Exactly, also I found this: "Hussain (the company owner) began working as a government translator but in 2003 pleaded guilty to fraud after helping a person sitting their driving test cheat."

A driving test isn't even difficult for fucks sake, my best guess was that he was hiring friends and family that had no business driving as a favor. Combine that with a poor excuse for a vehicle and you have a high death toll in the making.

When we in modernized nations hear about a car accident that leaves 18 people dead we immediately jump to suspicion, and that's not surprising because that kind of incident is rare. But, when you look at 3rd world nations with substandard vehicles and driving standards, accidents with high death tolls are relatively common.