Merkabaman

im glad some people in our governments brains havent been fried by 4g yet

free_peltier

The telecomm giants have pushed forward nationwide 5G network implementation with, essentially, zero resistance from anyone in the higher echelons of the federal government. If this isn't halted, all these corporations will make billions off of, what amounts to, one gigantic, cross-country 'active denial' system. Not to mention all the 1mm band microwaves that will be polluting the air and f****** up every living thing that gets in their way! That's some psychopathic stuff right there...

NakedWarrior

I'm sure they already know if it is dangerous. The tobacco companies knew cigarettes caused cancer long before the package warnings were implemented. Asbestos was proven to cause cancer in the 1920s, but corporations didn't feel the need to implement warning labels until the 1970s and only because OSHA was formed and forced them. I could go on and on about similar products. The fact is, corporations do internal (and sometimes university-level external) industrial hygienic studies on their products and know what the dangers are so they can figure out how much it may cost them down the road. I am sure the ISPs have already figured out how many decades it will be before legal complaints are filed and by then they will have made billions and likely come up with a safer method that will replace 5G. Then, all they have to do is ride out some lawsuit settlements or perhaps even created a settlement trust or claim fund and that'll be the end of it for them. They don't care if it is YOUR family member dying of cancer, they never did.

YoHomie

Don't you need to prove something is dangerous, not "safe"?

qwop

No, or would you put your foot in an airliner never tested for safety?

Everything that has the potential to cause harm, has to be proven safe. This is the case for the medical industry, motor vehicles, airplanes, bridges, buildings, nuclear power plants, etc., but apparently the telecom industry has managed to exempt themselves from common sense.

yewotm8

He can't "prove" it's safe. No matter what proof he gives, nuts will never be satisfied with it. The onus is on the nuts to prove it's dangerous.

Testicular

Keep sipping on that fluoride.

madmalloy

The "nuts" proof will not be accepted.

fastregister

5G can never be safe. even if they prove low doses of wifi arent harmful, they will overload the transmitters, match the phase, and channel the combined 5g down the road to tap into and trigger additional transmitters and charged carriers. start an avalanche of a harmful 5G wave. they will by accident crank up the 5G transmitters power supply to nuclear levels, accidentally manipulating the antennas, and power cord. they radio channels will match the resonance frequencies of molecules in the human body, and electronic parts in an attempt to hack both human and computer. Insects and bees will become blind from the 5G and the population will decrease, larger horrible black meat eating killer insects witzh larger antennae and less affected by the electromagnetic charge will replace all the bugs and insectes we know today.

Merkabaman

... is this true? like i can see how sustained exposure is equivalent to microwaves but thats crazy i hope i don't get over ran bu huge ants

bob3333

Perhaps the senator should acquaint himself with the physics of electromagnetic radiation.

nobslob

Did you just say RADIATION!!!! fuck we're all gonna die

1234554321

It disrupts calcium ion channels in your body which inhibits cells from communicating with each other. This can lead to cancer, among other health issues, because cells blocked from communication doesn't know if it is a cancer causing cell.

bob3333

If 5G does all that, the sun does it x1000,v and WiFi, and 4G, and satellite comms, and weather radar ...

brandnewset

Perhaps bob3333 shoud acquaint himself with the physics of electromagnetic radiation as it pertains to 5g

bob3333

5g is not a form of electromagnetic radiation. You guys sound like retards because you don't even know what you're talking about.

qwop

See if you can find the 5G frequencies included in this table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Perhaps the retard here is not who you think it is.

bob3333

It is electromagnetic radiation. THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. The same thing that you are being bombarded with from the Sun at 1,000 times the power of 5G. 5G is just the format of information. It has no bearing on the EM radiation. If 5G is "toxic" so is everything, like cordless phones, baby monitors, wireless web cams, WiFi, 4G cellular, 3G cellular, amateur radio ....

WakkoWarner

The funny thing is that since 5G uses higher frequencies they can penetrate the human body less than normal GSM phone frequencies. So with their unjustified fear they might actually end up sticking with a more dangerous system only because they decided without any proof whatsoever that 5G is a deadly poison.

WakkoWarner

What does? At what frequency? And at what power? At what distance from the source? And after how much time?

Frequency matters, the higher it is the less it can penetrate inside your body. 5G has a higher frequency than what we use now, so it will probably be less harmful than what we already use today.

Tallest_Skil

Do you have technical knowledge of this field? If so, can you comment on the following?

Excessive exposure to electrical RF (eg smartmeters) disrupts normal melatonin production (insomnia).

“SLF-EMF exposure directly affects the pineal gland, deteriorating the biological effect of melatonin"

Short wave RF can create reactive chemicals that cause cell/ DNA damage.

"When female rats were exposed to a 900 MHz EMF for 30 min/day for 30 days, endometrial apoptosis and oxidative stress were increased. An RF EMF of 2,450 MHz exposure caused rearrangement of DNA segments and breakage of DNA in testes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3341445/

Microwaves can weaken the blood-brain barrier

"in 1988, Dr. Leif Salford and his colleagues atLund University Hospital in Sweden had exposed over 1,600 experimental animals to low-level microwave radiation. Their results were consistent and worrisome: microwave radiation, including radiation from cell phones, caused the blood-brain barrier—the brain’s first line of defense against infections and toxic chemicals—to leak"

http://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/silent.pdf

"We found highly significant (p< 0.002) evidence for neuronal damage in the cortex, hippocampus, and basal ganglia in the brains of exposed rats"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12782486

RF exposure can lower sperm count via narrowing of the seminiferous tubules

RF negatively affects bird and bee migration

WHO classifies cell phone frequencies as a probable human carcinogen; a petition of 180 scientists against 5G

https://pubs.rsc.org/-/content/articlepdf/2013/ib/c3ib40166a

Cellular homeostasis and communication channels are highly dependent on precisely calibrated, internally generated electromagnetic fields and that conditions like cancer can result from their disruption. eg. exposure to externally generated pulsed microwave radiation

hidden behind a paywall , but examines the effect on living tissue from high frequency em radiation:

"Abnormalities in the mitochondrial ETC of liver and aorta cells are more pronounced for animals radiated in a pulsed mode; (ii) the alterations in the functioning of the mitochondrial ETC cause increase of superoxide radicals generation rate in all samples, formation of cellular hypoxia, and intensification of the oxide-initiated metabolic changes;"

WakkoWarner

So, in short, none of these studies prove that 5G frequencies are somehow more dangerous than what we already use today.

Drakgan

Why do you want shit that could be harmful when we have a working something already in place?

WakkoWarner

There are many reasons to want 5G, one of them is that by using higher frequencies who penetrate less inside your body it might be actually LESS harmful than what we use now.

qwop

That is a poor excuse to add MORE radiation to the already existing pollution. You do realize that 5G will be adding MORE total radiation, not LESS.

There are also some studies that show 5G 10+GHz waves do penetrate deeper into the body, because our sweat ducts start acting like waveguides at these frequencies. The sweat ducts are connected directly to the nervous system, thus providing a potential path into the body. There is also concern for the cornea of the eye, which is completely unprotected.

None of these studies have been done to evaluate safety. It's a complete free for all madness, where they deploy now and worry about consequences later. Microwaves are the modern tobacco smoke, and in time everyone will come to accept this fact one way or the other.

When you dismiss worries like the ones presented in this thread, you're essentially saying you're completely fine playing lottery with everyone's health. Instead you should be advocating for independent proofs of safety, and then if they are proven safe you can enjoy all the microwaves you want.

This is the only correct approach, instead of the dismissive lackadaisical approach which puts everyone at risk for absolutely no good reason.