checks-out

to convict you with information obtained from a company that guarantees privacy and anonymity, would ruin that company's cash-flow, because we'd all talk, and "they" know it.

Keneo77

Wow we must have been on identical brainwaves earlier. I almost posted the same question.

J20

I trust them to let me torrent in peace.

Beyond that, not really.

nemestrinus

I've always wondered about that as well. How do you know who to trust? Watch out for the big vpn company that seems to offer great service at a low price, and then 'takes over,' (like when Google squeezed out all the search engines that were around back in the 90's, and Facebook killed the likes of MySpace and Tribe). I think StrongVPN is pretty good. Nice people, no logging.

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BillyLuath

A VPN is not going to protect you from the Feds, but it will from your friendly neighborhood packet sniffer.

QualityShitposter

This guy gets it.

Assume the NSA will get everything, because that's what they do. What you want protection from is the corporations who gather ALL your information to sell for profit (like maybe telling your credit card processor that you post on Voat)

cthulian_axioms

Exactly. I assume the enemy country knows exactly who I am and where I am at all times, regardless of VPN usage.

The VPN makes it more difficult for my ISP to build an advertising profile on me. That's important.

August11

That's why you spoof your mac address and connect to your neighbor's wifi before you connect to your vpn.

thelma

Just whisper it ... quietly.

knightwarrior41

i dont

Gorillion

No. But if they can access your VPN history and logs, then they can fake your VPN history and logs.

All that leaves for them is a confession of your wrongthink and wrongspeech if they want to convict you of anything, which you should never give them under any circumstances. And if they're not bothering with legal convictions before dragging people away, then it doesn't matter anyway. At least you were right about them being evil authoritarian cabalists. You forced them to show their true face and admit that they can only cheat.

They were never as good as us. And they never will be. Without us, this world will burn.
They're welcome to the flames.

Caliope

Most of them are honeypots for NSA. The first "flag" comes up at your ISP (comcast, etc. etc) when you use a VPN. They pass that info to NSA and from then on you're on the List. I fucked with them for a few days -- I set up a VPN, ran it through a couple of floating IP addresses, and send a continuous stream of gibberish which had been encrypted using a computer application which replicated the old Enigma machine, then it would change to another program which imitated the old US Government M-203 Crypto device from WW2. As for the "random garbage files", I had downloaded a load of declassified 'VENONA" files from the FBI declassified historical web site. (VENONA was the code name for all of the intercepts of Russian spy messages to and from the Commies embedded in the US Government back in 1940-45.)

Anyway, That got tiresome after about or almost a week. So I sent a series of short messages supposedly between John Titor and Henry Kissinger (always thought he was a fucking space alien).

Well, never heard anything from anyone about it. However, I have noticed that the steam radiators in my apartment here in Bostom (oh shit, I just Doxxed myself) Never mind, uhh My steam pipes here in (quick where do they have steam pipes for heating ? Shit Shit Shit!

Anyfucking way, suspicious stuff happened for awhile but now I'm all better.

How's that?

slwsnowman40

NYC still uses steam for something...not sure how you feel about NYC though since you're from [redacted].

Hand_of_Node

Uh, oh. Sounds like you're now a Targeted Individual.

beece

What "suspicious stuff "?

The1stLantern

It doesn't matter, if Big Bro wants you all the proxies on earth arent stopping him. Assume youre on 7 lists already just being on Voat and try your best to lower your risk with non-US based VPNs with a no log policy.

riffwraff

Don't OD on paranoid blackpills.

Jay_Mac

No.

Magi

Didn't Mueller get the IP addresses of the Russians he indicted from the VPN service they used?

Conspirologist

VPN's are for average people. Hackers use floating IP's.

Saturday405

Nope. I run all my traffic directly through the government agency I work for.

I also end sentences with a preposition and you should know what that means.

Conspirologist

WTF prepositions have to do with anything here?

LostandFound

It's worse than you imagine using a vpn paints you with a giant neon sign and automatically allows authorities to hack you and serves as a basis to get a warrant against you ... search rule 41 it came into effect December 16

https://www.goldenfrog.com/blog/rule-41-becomes-law-expands-fbi-hacking-powers

Fateswebb

CYBER SECURITYFAG HERE I have thought that exact thing, because if you use a VPN and it IS compromised then it's MUCH LESS secure than just using the internet, you're quite literally then giving them EVERYTHING on a silver platter whereas just using the internet would make it very hard for them to listen in, unless they're you ISP. So before you jump on bandwagon with a VPN you better be damn sure they can be trusted.

A VPN would make it SUPER EASY for them to monitor every single thing you do.

Think of it as if you called someone and asked them to three way call someone else for every phone call you made. Do you trust that person enough to listen into those conversations? If not you surely would not do it.. a VPN is no different.

downton-stabby

Honeypot

HenryCabotLodge

Anonymous Charity says that VPNs are in the process of being comprmised - not all are bad. But, some are being bribed out

fusir

The problem is the second anyone gets an indictment if they are at all decent they will say something. Meaning if PIA doesn't have one example case of them collaborating they haven't yet. The one time they do collaborate unless you are a terrorist it's not going to be you. They could sell out a bunch of people at once and keep logs though.

But honestly I think the odds of having some trouble with the law or tarrorists activists is more likely though poor cookie management and using the same user-agent between sessions of different sites. You realize both of those things are straight up more identifiable than an ip address yeah?

ForeskinAvenger

Its hard to know who to trust. I have NordVPN but I can never access Dailystorrmer with them. It doesn't matter if I change countries, I can never get through. I've been back and forth with their tech support but they can't seem to fix it for some reason. I'll be cancelling them once my contract runs out.

beece

Says the person who has been here 8 days. Hmmmm

albeit

https://dailystormer.name works for me on NordVPN.

beece

Says the person who has been here 6 months. Hmmmm

albeit

I don't get what's to "Hmmmm" about.

$ traceroute dailystormer.name
traceroute to dailystormer.name (198.251.90.113), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.3.1 (192.168.3.1)  3.278 ms  3.220 ms  3.200 ms
 2  10.7.7.1 (10.7.7.1)  80.412 ms  80.397 ms  80.383 ms
 3  207.189.24.129 (207.189.24.129)  119.870 ms  50.223 ms  120.814 ms
 4  xe-1-3-0.mpr1.sjc6.us.zip.zayo.com (64.124.135.97)  80.315 ms  80.302 ms  80.285 ms
 5  ae7.cs2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.29.76)  120.760 ms  120.745 ms  120.727 ms
 6  ae5.mpr2.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.31.17)  80.223 ms  74.574 ms  73.047 ms
 7  zayo-ti.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.12.150)  73.029 ms  109.788 ms  39.274 ms
 8  et9-1-0.ashburn2.ash.seabone.net (195.22.195.49)  229.436 ms 195.22.206.0 (195.22.206.0)  229.421 ms et9-1-0.ashburn2.ash.seabone.net (195.22.195.49)  158.793 ms
 9  voxility.ashburn2.ash.seabone.net (195.22.206.26)  230.994 ms voxility.ashburn2.ash.seabone.net (195.22.206.71)  230.984 ms voxility.ashburn2.ash.seabone.net (195.22.206.26)  230.966 ms
10  ash-eqx-01c.voxility.net (5.254.81.22)  230.947 ms ash-eqx-01c.voxility.net (37.221.173.74)  230.934 ms  114.422 ms
11  ash-eqx-04sw.voxility.net (5.254.90.10)  210.339 ms  278.807 ms  278.787 ms
12  bitmitigate.com (198.251.90.113)  279.876 ms  279.860 ms  279.851 ms
$ 

Jewed

TorGuard can see it just fine.

beece

Says the person who has been here for only 2 months. Jewed...hmmm.

Jewed

I've been here since the initial Pao migration.

Jay_Mac

Avast VPN also blocks dailystormer.name.

UnknownAlias365

Yep, I have Private Internet Access and I can't access daily stormer either.

Conspirologist

Is Dailystormer the new Stormfront?

ForeskinAvenger

Probably. Im not saying I trust them, not since Charlottesville at least. But I still like going there to read the articles. Anglins a funny guy and I like him. I think there are bad actors behind the scenes now though. 8ch pol exposed a lot of stuff. And I had a very bad incident with a bookclub member that made me think they were trying to set me up (not necessarily DS, but a plant in a local bookclub).

DeliciousOnions

Seems like opening up yet another person between yourself and your personal information.

If I were to set up a VPN it would just be a secure tunnel to my home computer, I can't really imagine anything else that might be useful.

Fullmetal

Fuck no. VPN companies are just honeypots.

Fateswebb

I run my own VPN but for a different reason. Running your own VPN for anynomity or secure browsing doesn't make a bit of sense unless it's in a different country or something

Fullmetal

It depends on how you do it. If I'm at home then my activities can obviously be tracked back to my home connection. If I'm out of town then all of my VPN routed traffic is encrypted, and sent through my home network. It can still be tracked back to my home connection, but that's it. From an outside perspective it basically looks like I'm always "at home." I guess somebody could do a bandwidth and traffic analysis to figure out that I'm using the VPN, but meh.

Fateswebb

Oh definitely. And when you're away it make you much more secure because then it's just as secure than as if you were at home, which is better than a hotel network or a Starbucks network.. so sure.

Gingercuntfirecrotch

Unless you open your vpn to other people you’d still be fucked. You can’t be anonymous if your the only user who also happen to be paying for it.

Fullmetal

It provides a certain degree of privacy and security. At least with my VPN I can get traffic to hit the Internet off of my home connection. I can control that.

Gingercuntfirecrotch

I might be misunderstanding you but why would I want to do that? I use a vpn to conceal my home ip.

What you say makes sense from a business/work sense, but not so much for being anonymous.

As for the data my vpn provider collects, it’s been tested in court not once , but twice so I’m not really worried about that. And they accept bitcoin so I can run it through a few mixers and not have a paper trail.

Fullmetal

Why trust my security to an unknown third-party?

Gingercuntfirecrotch

So you just gonna ignore my question and the 2 links I posted?

Fullmetal

You haven't posted any links that I've seen.

But back to my original question, why would I want to route my vpn through my home ip if I wish to be anonymous?

There are a lot of reasons.

Gingercuntfirecrotch

Give me 2 examples.

Fullmetal

Your mom, and my dick.

Gingercuntfirecrotch

I guess you realized you lost the argument. Have a great day faggot.

Fullmetal

You just aren't worth arguing with, and I'm in a mood for insulting people on the Internet.

I fucked your mom!

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

No, you never know which ones will become collaborators until it's too late. This is why you use seven proxies.

slwsnowman40

7 proxies is soooooo 2007...

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

If it works it works. I've always been behind 7 proxies and I haven't been doxed or vanned even once

Sburban_Shitposter

lol all these people replying to you and not one got the joke

muzzieniggerjew

im glad to see some oldfags still shitpost.

must be the liquor

Fullmetal

A proxy is just as worthless.

Fateswebb

Yeah

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

Nah

Fateswebb

Dude, I'm a cyber security expert, CISSP certified, security+ certified worked at the top computer security company for almost 10 fucking years (hated that job) been doing it for almost 30 years... And was a hockey before that. And still am a white hat hacker.

You can say whatever you want, and think you know what you're talking about. People are giving you good advise, if you don't want to listen that's on you.

A proxy doesn't hide your location except from the end point, it also does stop eavesdropping at the ISP like a VPN does, sure VPNs have other issues because you don't know who runs the VPN. But a proxy allows eavesdropping as well as just shits on your connection speed and latency. Then again a VPN exposes your entire computer to being hacked by anyone on the VPN network. I would say unless both have serious security concerns in my eyes.

But again do whatever you want, if you're not willing to listen to people who know more than you, then you are the one that has to suffer the consequences not us.

Fullmetal

Then again a VPN exposes your entire computer to being hacked by anyone on the VPN network. I would say both have serious security concerns in my eyes.

That's only if the VPN allows allows the clients to communicate. Easily disabled.

Fateswebb

Well the client is technically you... The person connecting into the VPN. Most vpn settings are forced by the server side. And assuming the server admin is the hacker, then they're going to allow that...

Or if you mean the clients to communicate with each other.. yeah that's a crazy way to have it configured unless it's needed that way, but wouldn't surprise me if some have it configured that way. Then it would be like you're in a Starbucks and good knows who has access to your laptop.

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

arguing from authority on the internet

I am head of the nsa's cyper police chief of special task force on internet rape and bullying, I know exactly where we can and cannot see and what we can and cannot hear because I am literally the eyes and ears and long dick of the law

Fateswebb

Oh well, they can see EVERYTHING. So there's that...

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

That's why you use 7 of them. SEVEN PROXIES

Datagod

Eight

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

Prime numbers work best

GoyimNose

not using 3 VPNs

Fateswebb

Yeah to obscure your location maybe but now you have 7 potential eavesdroppers as well.

That's actually a horrible idea..

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

You're a horrible idea. The governments and isp's are all eavesdropping with dragnet surveillance as it is, it is impossible to hide your activity, that's why you focus on obscuring the person who is the source of that activity. A vpn counts as only one proxy.

Fateswebb

VPN is worse dude. But that doesn't make having 7 proxies a good idea. Believe me dude I'm a cyber security expert. CISSP certified, security+ certified and almost 30 years in the business.

7 proxies sounds good. But what you're doing is allowing 7 different "people" eavesdrop on your conversation. And STILL your ISP can see it all as well. Not to mention the latency would be insane and the connection ridiculously slow.

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

Hey wait, we should start a vpn company called 7proxi.es and make bank since the marketing is already built in

Fateswebb

😂 and we can then listen to everyone shit, hack all their computers, gain remote control of them and install zombie boot networks on them.

We would probably get sued once someone figures us out, but why fuck it will attack their lawyers with your zombie boot networks.

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

When we get sued that's when we reveal that our master business plan was just to redirect all their traffic through nordvpn. Also, we have no assets to pay their suit because all services were bartered in exchange for cryptocurrencies, which isn't real money in the eyes of the court and they can't prove that we possess any of it anyway.

WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI

I'm none of those things but seven seems like a pretty safe number

Fateswebb

The more, the LESS safe... Not the more the MORE safe. Every proxy you add, you're tearing down another layer of security..... You're adding another stranger into your phone call. Is he listening? Who knows is the second one listening who knows? By the time you get to seven, you can bet one or two are listening..

Telencephalon

Well I was top of my class in the Navy SEALS so I don't need proxies!

cultivated_ignorance

I don't use a VPN because I'd rather Comcast aggregate my data than some dude wearing a dolphin onesie in his basement in Zurich.

4841400209

Wondered that myself. Just found out about ProtonVPN.com that's supposed to be really good. Founded by CERN scientists and the server is in Switzerland under a granite mountain. Protonmail is free and encrypted.

Conspirologist

This is old bullshit. Protonmail fake as hell. Look up for old posts on Voat.

4841400209

Actually just started it and really like it. I did research who was behind it and it looked good. But I will try to find the old post. Thanks.

beece

Dude you are replying to has been here 1 month. Hmmmm