aaaw, running to teacher are you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you should join the American Army, there is a position going as a "sad sack" LOL

The death part is implied

Implying is not proof.

They were all kind of in love with the concept of death

So where Jews, That 6000000 figure appears as early as the 1890's. And it comes up dozens and dozens of times before WW2.

You should not make sweeping generalisations.

make sure you run by the

you abhorrent little fuck. You and your ilk are a bunch of scum. You get your little podium here because of free speech, but nobody likes your shit

comment by him while your at it

There are two admins u/puttitout and u/Atko

I will go ahead and warn you that personal attacks are not what this community is about, and if you continue to keep the sprit and vitrol shown here

You are a denier you abhorrent little fuck. You and your ilk are a bunch of scum. You get your little podium here because of free speech, but nobody likes your shit and you dare not espouse your shit in public where you would end up in deep shit for it.

you will understand if I delete your comments that incite hate

They would make Japanese people into lamps and shrink their skulls.

Good old controlled Academia. Here is tenure, you will do as we say. LOL, the truth though is hard to keep quiet. ;)

Because questions are annoying. They might reveal a different story.

OK, now you finally show your true colors

hehe, I do love you you are trying to sound like you have just discovered some great state secret. hahaha

And you have only just realized that i am a revisionist....wut? aah, you really do have to start reading articles and arguments better. Is that why you think that the roller-coaster of death is real?

oh, such anger, now what was the saying,.....oh, I remember, "The lady doth protest too much" Cry me river, I like my tears warm. HAHA You took me seriously? wow, what was it, my pipe? my deep voice, my brooding eyes or the leather patches on my elbows. LOL yeah, gotta love free speech. So what you are saying, is that you are against free speech? Wow, you are a NAZI, how dare you try to oppress me. Take your hate speech elsewhere you evil Zionist.

LOL

or maybe you would like to comment on these items... https://voat.co/v/holocaustfacts/comments/177551

Aaaaw, diddums has hurt fee fee's, aaww, wanna cuddle? wanna suck on a lollipop? aaw, well, in keeping everything fair, I did view your rather dodgy propaganda, so now would you like to watch and comment on this movie. Now you must watch all of it, as I did laugh at all your "proof" here is the link, please enjoy, and let me know what you think. Oh, did your (father? grandfather?) know the black guy whom is the second witness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

It doesn't show 30 foot flames from crematoria, or sexual torture machines, or even the roller-coaster of death, So I apologize if this movie is a little bland for you.

uh, do you even read? Can you read? I have stated that " But that all means nothing " LOL, is that how you do research? Just skipping relevant information, then trying to somehow take the moral high ground? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you sad twerp.

Here, you may want to contact these people. http://www.readingwritinghotline.edu.au/?page_id=25

oh really, he mentions "death" camps?

well yes, would you like to go through each picture?

1/ Some burnt body in a room. great, could be anyone. But this does not constitute Government sanctioned Genocide. Multiple mass murders where committed by all sides. So?

2/German civilians burying bodies from a camp, so? we know thousand and thousands died at the end of the war from hunger and disease. You may want to see this, http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9117&p=69539 gardelegen has been debunked.

3/Why would you transport sick and starving people, why not just kill them.

4/ a pile of clothing. wow. it is inmate clothing, one can easily see that. We know there were lots of clothes at camps, frequently in piles.

5/Some guy standing next to some bodies, probably late war american propaganda shot. how is the SS celebrating Christmas whilst killing people.

6/ Some photo's from Buchenwald. so? most look fairly healthy.

7/ a trailer (not a truck) of dead emaciated corpses. so? probably late war, starvation or disease. The Americans probably staged the photo. So? and oh look, here is that trailer again, http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery2/74603.HTM lol

8/More pics from Buchenwald, prisoners burnt dead or ALIVE? were are the pics? wow. do you ever read your reference material?

So in response, LOL. We know there were many incidences of mass murder on all sides, Russians killing 26000 Polish officers in 1939, to Americans starving German POW's in the Rhine camps. We also know of some German atrocities. However, all you have shown are the usual debunked emotional propaganda photo's. Hardly Academic is it. Did you know that there are no Gas chambers in any of the camps? Did you know that buildings have been modified (mainly by the russians and Bergen Belsen by the Americans) Did you know that there has never been any evidence found to substantiate a Government condoned genocide? Tell me, why did the British limit jewish immigration to Palestine in 1937? Can you answer me that?

I like how if you question some of the more absurd bullshit (the holocauster and tickling jews to death for example) you're immediately labeled an anti-semite and holocaust denier. That's the kind of bullshit that irritates me.

It's easy to deny history to suit whatever purpose you'd like. Do you want to kill Jews again? Then say the Holocaust was made up so you can deny that you should have learned from history. Do you want to say Turkey has always been right, and should have the ability to do whatever it wants without international criticism? Then you have to say the Armenian Genocide didn't happen. Do you want to write into your history books that Manifest Destiny was a golden era of westward expansion? Then you have to say the land was empty of natives when you took it.

It's all about interests. The problem with not learning from history, and denying it when it's clear that it did happen, is that the same things will happen again, and you, or your descendants, will not see the train that is going to hit you coming. You could be marched out into the desert to die, and have an authoritarian government say it wasn't genocide. You will not know what is going on. Your descendants could be killed as part of a nation's destiny. You will not know to fight. You could be put into an industrialized murder machine, having your records expunged and having young men on the internet say you never existed. You will think you're just being transported to the next station. It might feel real powerful to say these things don't happen, to meet every bit of evidence with the phrase "it was all made up." But by doing that, you will not be able to see when the same thing might be happening to you.

Don't feel sorry. If somebody get's offended over something not intended to be offensive, it's their fault and not yours.

Here is why: Holocaust Mega-post

typically white supremacists are morons. I am a revisionist, and my wife would kill me if I was a white supremacist. Most revisionists are just normal people who do not believe the joos control everything, because if they do, then where is my share?

you mean the loving ones to his wife? Like any good husband would write?

Here is why: Holocaust Mega-post

what photographic evidence? Please do share.

oh, wow, now that is a compelling argument, we are none too bright. Wow, did you think of that one yourself? or did mummy help you? You have used this same argument several times on Reddit, and this is the second time here. Leave it out. Emotional arguments are the weakest sort. they are only used when you have no other real facts. wow, you can even remember crying. Did you cry me a river?

leave it out. No need to feel sorry for a bad emotional argument. I have heard this same story many times, 3 times on voat and multiple more on Reddit. It's the same dude with an alt.

Because of this list: https://voat.co/v/holocaustfacts/comments/177551

Between January 18 and March 10, 1972, two architects responsible for the design and construction of the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, were put on trial in Vienna, Austria.[see note] During the trial, an expert report on the possible interpretation of the blueprints of the alleged gas chambers of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria was presented to the court. The report concluded that the rooms in question could not have been gas chambers, nor could they have been converted into gas chambers.[see note] Thanks to this first methodologically sound expert report on Auschwitz, the defendants were acquitted. ACQUITTED (my capitals) Here is the full document

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p-3_Rudolf.html

The same reason people think dinosaurs never happened. And that the world hasn't existed for longer than 5000 years.

It is because these people get informed by a source, and they will not objectively look at the validity/quality. And they will make this vision part of themselves. So stepping away from this vision would hurt themselves. And so if there is no way for them to see it, they will deny it.

Some people are just wacked or shills crying joos did it. However, there are lots of people around the world that do not "believe" in the Holocaust religion industry, because science.

Vacuum chambers, steam chambers, Co2 chambers, Co1 chambers, electified chambers, Gas chambers, electified conveyor belts, electrified floors, opening floors, 700 people in 3*3 metre room, 300 metre grills, 500 metre pits, dead bodies burning underground, sexual torture machines, bone crushing machines, piles of bodies completing turning to ash, 120 ft piles of clothes, piles of shoes in a shoe factory, a chimney in Aushwitz that was built by the russian, modifications done to majdanack(excuse spelling), foot operated hammers killing people, amazing multiple escapes, amazing numbers of dead, fountains of blood erupting, lying survivors by the 100, Holocaust foundations stating that it doesn't matter if someone lies, No evidence submitted at the Nuremberg trials apart from dubious testimony with no substantive evidence apart from obvious russian forgeries, Jewish fat soap, jewish skin light covers, The Zionist Federation in America pressuring the British to limit jew leaving Germany before the 2nd world war, thus condemning millions to die, the very term "Holocaust" translates to, the full burnt offering. Think about that. No gas residue in any of the claimed gas chambers, research is not allowed and you will have your books burnt, (seriously this happened only a few years ago, It is illegal in many countries to "deny" the holocaust and you will get an automatic prison term. why?

So those are some of the reasons that I can prove that the official version of the "holocaust" is a fabrication. Would anyone like to have a cry at me?

Edit, not to mention, there are soooo many former inmates that will swear that it never happened. :P

Don't use that my father crap. You have no way of proving it, and it seems there are lots of people with the same sad story. Don't use it, it is a weak argument, even with all the weak arguments for the Holocaust Industry. So feel free to "lay into me". I had family in both the Japanese camps and the German camps and I even lost an Uncle at Stalingrad. But that all means nothing just like your emotional crap.

I mostly agree - and that's why my answer to this question concludes that the many false memoirs and narratives that have been perpetuated to the public regarding the Holocaust are the big problem. Some of the key sources of the American understanding of the Holocaust turned out to be fiction. Many of the anecdotal things people learned about the Holocaust and take as fact turned out to be completely made-up. When researching holocaust denial I found out that there was even more of this stuff in the early post-war years that I'd never heard of - some of it just utterly ridiculous yet widespread and "confirmed" by witnesses like you describe. This is the problem and until it is addressed you'll never get rid of the deniers. The fact that people who attempt to address it are rapidly silenced does not help, as it creates the appearance that powerful people wish to avoid scrutiny of the topic and thus are likely to have something to hide.

My personal feeling is that there are many scandals to be revealed in the post-holocaust story and there are powerful interests seeking to avoid those revelations. That is not difficult to conclude. Do those scandals relate to the gassing and planned extermination aspects of the story? Probably not - simplicity suggests it has more to do with some profiteering. It's always about money, it seems.

because of a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the propaganda camping from Russia in the middle east since the 70's

The statements you mention (something...) are designed to address the fact that there are two things typically being discussed.

1 - People who hear the term "holocaust denial" tend to think this means people are saying the ENTIRE THING is a hoax 2 - People who actually deny the holocaust typically are saying the camps existed but are denying that there was an organized, industrial massacre of the Jewish people.

So I'm saying that statement 1 is incorrect - something definitely happened. It's important to dispose of that idea because otherwise you're unable to discuss the topic.

I'm not terribly interested in holocaust denial but I've read about it, because I read about everything. What I can say is that your discussion of personal anecdotes, which are not rare, does not actually address (or contradict) any of the key assertions "deniers" make. That also loops back to my earlier statement - these anecdotes are very good proof that a bunch of people were locked up in camps and died and were treated badly. This is not in dispute. It is also not in dispute that Jews were systematically targeted, ghettoized, deported, and robbed in Nazi Germany.

What has been disputed is the details of what went on. Basically some deniers say that there was no deliberate, industrialized execution that fits the commonly held belief that Jews were marched into rooms and gassed to death, then burned in fire pits. They then try to prove this other ways, talking about population numbers, etc.

Some of those things are difficult to prove largely because the Germans destroyed as much evidence of possible and appeared to have avoided documenting as much as possible, too. They clearly weren't idiots. This is war, in the 1940's, and the lack of smoking gun proof laying around should not surprise anyone but it does make it harder to prove either way.

The real issue, which I mention in my post, is that there IS a whole ton of bullshit that has been perpetuated about the holocaust. If you want to refute deniers I think you need to address that first. I've rarely seen it done, and when people try, ala Finkelstein, they get shut down. That creates suspicion and fuels the belief in those who really doubt the entire story.

Did I say that I think the Holocaust never happened?

You have poor reading comprehension skills and you should be weary of anecdotal evidence.

Anecdotal evidence? check.

Threatens violence if we don't have faith? check.

I don't know why we shouldn't believe you... /s

I don't believe one way or the other about it. Belief transcends rationality. The facts seem to clearly paint a picture that the holocaust is perhaps mostly propaganda. I strongly suspect that this is the case.

Id say 99% of historians and 98% of the world populations know it happened but yeah the numbers may have been a little bit off.

This is how I feel, do I think it happened, no shit it happened.

But a lot of the shit we hear and assume as knowledge is propagated bullshit clearly disproved by just reading the buchenwald report.

Plus just countless other stacks off bullshit that make me question the lengths. It makes me feel bad though, I know people were there and what they went through, I don't discount or discard their stories or pain.

I simply don't believe everything we've been told.

Notice nobody talks about the piles of dead bodies the Americans made after they killed freed prisoners by feeding them large meals, was it on purpose? Probably not, but you never hear a damn word about it because it fucks the narrative.

The winners write history to promote their own agenda. While I don't buy the full holocaust story, I don't deny there could've been a smaller one.

That's great - but it's not the question at hand. The OP is asking why some people believe this. That's an entirely reasonable, and possibly even a GOOD question to ask. I tried to cover the bases in my post. In short, the reason is some people are willing and able to deny the holocaust is because there were so many outright lies told about it. That's the straight-up truth. One problem I've noticed is that non-Jews typically have far less information on the topic. When they discover later that a LOT of what they may have learned through school or media is wrong that is what causes the questioning to happen. After that it's a matter of gullibility and crticial thinking skills - not things I'd want to rely on individuals mastering.

The main reason has to do with inconsistencies in the story. In the years immediately after the Holocaust all kinds of stories circulated that ended up being patently false. Numerous "memoirs" and stories were published in ensuing decades that also turned out to be entirely false. Furthering this, those who rationally attempted to discuss this matter were rather backhandedly attacked as a result, despite their clearly aimed intentions at providing an honest historical account (see: Finkelstein, Norman).

All of these things taken together create a cloud of uncertainty for some people. This makes it easy for them to accept the possibility that the whole thing is bogus. The reality is that Jews were definitely targeted and suffered disproportionately in Germany, and something definitely happened, and a lot of people definitely died, and the Germans were clearly not bothered by this outcome. Beyond that, regarding how it came to be exactly, and the details of what went on in the camps, is fuzzy and uncertain, like many things that occur in war.

Some people are just wacked or shills crying joos did it. However, there are lots of people around the world that do not "believe" in the Holocaust religion industry, because science.

Vacuum chambers, steam chambers, Co2 chambers, Co1 chambers, electified chambers, Gas chambers, electified conveyor belts, electrified floors, opening floors, 700 people in 3*3 metre room, 300 metre grills, 500 metre pits, dead bodies burning underground, sexual torture machines, bone crushing machines, piles of bodies completing turning to ash, 120 ft piles of clothes, piles of shoes in a shoe factory, a chimney in Aushwitz that was built by the russian, modifications done to majdanack(excuse spelling), foot operated hammers killing people, amazing multiple escapes, amazing numbers of dead, fountains of blood erupting, lying survivors by the 100, Holocaust foundations stating that it doesn't matter if someone lies, No evidence submitted at the Nuremberg trials apart from dubious testimony with no substantive evidence apart from obvious russian forgeries, Jewish fat soap, jewish skin light covers, The Zionist Federation in America pressuring the British to limit jew leaving Germany before the 2nd world war, thus condemning millions to die, the very term "Holocaust" translates to, the full burnt offering. Think about that. No gas residue in any of the claimed gas chambers, research is not allowed and you will have your books burnt, (seriously this happened only a few years ago, It is illegal in many countries to "deny" the holocaust and you will get an automatic prison term. why?

So those are some of the reasons that I can prove that the official version of the "holocaust" is a fabrication. Would anyone like to have a cry at me?

Edit, not to mention, there are soooo many former inmates that will swear that it never happened. :P

Because the victorious always write the history, if Nazi Germany had of won we'd all be sitting around talking;

" thank fuck those Yank psychopaths didn't win the war, there would be race riots and cop beatings every other day....not to mention the FACT that they had plans to actually drop nukes on Japan !"

they don't

Because there were only 5 or so million Jews in Europe at the time. Because it would have been physically impossible to incinerate 6 million bodies... They would still be burning the bodies today. Because the "6 Million" number was touted from 1900 on in a lot of jew controlled news papers. Because of the 50 or so concentration camps, only 3-4 are purported to have had gas chambers. Because all the "gas chambers" had wooden doors. The "death camps" had swimming pools, brothels, theatres, shopping centers, and their own camp money system... Which begs the question: If you're going to execute people, why would you build them a swimming pool or a brothel? Because of the Haavara Agreement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNikDiN-Xc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmDU_1sUXik

Of course, jews have never ever lied about anything in the history of the world to promote their own agenda.

I think it is related to this "myth" of the six million Jews.

http://radioislam.org/islam/english/revision/six_million_myth.htm

Basically the press has often reported that six million jews have died, or are dying long before WWII.

A quick google search bought up this . Seems well detailed though I didn't look deep enough to determine if it's serious or satire.

Because some people are idiots.

Well, there is the nazi, the changed number at Auschwitz and many nazi member condemned to death who said different number each time ;)