FakeNewzIsFake

Looked up his name, nothing but garbage. Tried to see if I could find his name on a vaccine patton and that turned up empty also.

SavageSeasons

There should be a way to verify in advance what's in the vaccines, like take a sample so parents can research themselves.

If the shit has stuff that shouldn't be in it or can be proved to cause issues, the parents should be able to sue the shit out of that hospital.

They obviously don't fear the will of the people. But will shit the bed if their wallets are threatened.

NeoGoat

Oldir but goodie

originally published — in January 2002,

Rudi105

"Retired Vaccine Researcher" the only thing he researched were the vaccine posts on mommy blogs found via Google.

MaunaLoona

Two questions:

  • How do I know the vaccine being given is what is claimed?
  • Even if the vaccine is what is claimed, how do I know whether it's effective or does it is claimed?

DiscontentedMajority

You could say the same thing about every single medication you've ever taken. Do you have you Motrin or Acetaminophen tested before you take it?

dalik

Except for the time being, medicines are a choice while I won't be surprised if vaccines are made mandatory at least required to partake in society such as having a job or going to public schools.

My main complaint is that the differences between old vaccines and modern vaccines are probably different in terms of quality.

The new vaccines are likely motivated by profits and market domination. While old vaccines are motivated by actually preventing something. My concern is the new vaccines may not be well tested/verified because it cuts into profits and quality control suffers. Would a company do this? I think so if they think they can get away with it or if they make more profit over the potential loss.

Vaccines IMO are not equal but people seem to talk like they are.

DefenderOfTruth

No, because I don’t take any drugs. Medication just treats symptoms and causes more side effects. When I have ailments come up, I adjust my diet and work on the root cause: my health.

MaunaLoona

There are machines available to identify unknown drugs. No such machines exist for vaccines. Even if you wanted to check what's in a vaccine, I doubt you could identify all the organic compounds that are in there.

edistojim

Did Smallpox and polio cause more harm than the vaccine? Simple answers to simple questions.

qwop

You're drawing your conclusions on the premise that vaccines were the ones that wiped out polio and smallpox.

Now I will tell you a simple question to think about: what if it wasn't so?

If you start to dig into the data, you will find information that is going to contradict the general narrative of this wipeout story. Like the researcher says in his interview:

Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.
A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.

You see, you assume what you've been told all your life by the vaccine industry is true. The problem is: it isn't. And therefore it means all your previous conclusions need to be re-evaluated. It's called waking up from the hypnosis.

edistojim

So what wiped the diseases out? They just went away?

qwop

Here's an example from smallpox:

"Leicester's small-pox history, and her successful vindication of sanitation as a small-pox prophylactic, will bear the closest scrutiny. Each successive epidemic since vaccination has decreased, with a larger proportion of unvaccinated population, furnishes a still lower death-rate."

You can read more here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ald30s/the_provaccine_propaganda_on_reddit_has_reached/efd627y/

heretolearn

got some links to read up on that

qwop

Usually when I provide links like this, people don't bother to read them. There are plenty of articles written about the real history of smallpox. It's not difficult to find them any more at this point. Here's a quote from one:

By 1919, England and Wales had become one of the least vaccinated countries, and had only 28 deaths from smallpox, out of a population of 37.8 million people. By contrast, during that same year, out of a population of 10 million — all triply vaccinated over the prior 6 years — the Philippine Islands registered 47,368 deaths from smallpox. The epidemic came after the culmination of a ruthless 15-year compulsory vaccination campaign by the U.S., in which the native population — young and old — were forcibly vaccinated (several times), literally against their will. In a speech condemning the smallpox vaccine reprinted in the Congressional Record of 12/21/37, William Howard Hay, M.D. said, “… the Philippines suffered the worst attack of smallpox, the worst epidemic three times over, that had ever occurred in the history of the islands, and it was almost three times as fatal. The death rate ran as high as 60 percent in certain areas, where formerly it had been 10 and 15 percent.” In the province of Rizal, for example, smallpox mortalities increased from an average 3 percent (before vaccination) to 67 percent during 1918 and 1919. All told, after 10 years (1911-1920) of a compulsory U.S. program which administered 25 million vaccinations to the Philippine population of 10 million, there had been 170,000 cases, and more than 75,000 deaths from smallpox.

Now are you just saying you're going to read up on it, or will you actually do it?
https://naturodoc.com/truth_re_smallpox_vaccine/

Actual quotes from doctors at the time about the vaccine:
http://whale.to/vaccine/quotes10.html

Articles and books written on the subject:
http://whale.to/vaccine/smallpox3.html

You can find numerous other articles on the topic too, but you have to put in the work to find them. Don't use Google, because they scrub their results. Now the question is, are you willing to put in the work?

heretolearn

thank you.

MikePence_Official

Well smallpox and polio can both kill you so yes?

Anarchon_

Perhaps. We don't know for sure. But, the real question is does a government goon with a gun to your head, telling you you must take a shot cause you more harm than theoretically catching some disease. The answer is unequivocally yes.

If you want to get a vaccine, knock yourself out. They shouldn't be forced, however.

edistojim

I don't disagree with you. Don't want the vaccine? Don't get one. My point was that from the thousands that suffered with polio the vaccine basically wiped it out and saved millions of lives, enter the government of today. Thats where it runs off the tracks.

goatsandbros

the vaccine basically wiped it out

Did it?

More information related to this is in the article that OP linked, where the vaccine researcher states that he believes that improved living conditions, nutrition, and general health had more to do with diseases declining than vaccines.

o0shad0o

As more kids go unvaccinated, though, we're starting to see more disease outbreaks.

Also, some of this guy's knowledge may be outdated, at least for certain vaccines; though it may raise other questions. I recall some uproar where a vaccine was discovered to not be what that country's medical association's records said it would be, but instead was a "macromolecule" with antigens embedded. This would be a superior method to trigger sensitivity, and would be easier to purify, but the question on whether it was tested properly remained open.

goatsandbros

As more kids go unvaccinated

Not the only notable possible factor: areas with high immigration have a higher likelihood of outbreaks of old diseases, regardless of vaccinaton rates of the native population.

It would solve a lot of debate to just study vaccine efficiacy and safety, something that has never been done, like every other drug or similar product. Makes you wonder why they don't (and it's highly debatable whether ethics are the reason).

DefenderOfTruth

We’re seeing more outbreaks because the vaccinated population is getting weaker and weaker. Our country is getting more sickly which is putting us back in years to when the diseases were prominent.

Good health and sanitation is what keeps a nation healthy, not injecting ourselves with heavy metals.

ardvarcus

I think the very concept of vaccination is inherently flawed. It weakens the body's natural immune system, while pretending to strengthen it. It triggers the immune system to turn on the body, resulting in allergic reactions, inflammation, asthma, irritable bowel disorder, and other problems. In almost all cases, it is completely unnecessary for the individual who receives it.