SavageSeasons

I'm gonna wait before using one until I know for sure my hand will survive.

SavageSeasons

Thanks for the link!

Fateswebb

Just wait till they start attacking these with false flags...

HillBoulder

Thanks, Cody.

Wazhappenin1

why in earth would anyone want a 3d printed gun. From what ive read they are very expensive, only shoot 0ne round once. The material would not hold up safely to shoot a second. The total cost with set up over 1500$.

So 3D guns are as probable as they are practical. the 3D gun story, which plagues the press at least once a year, is solely for the (((Fear))) factor of illiterates. Just my opinion thats all.

cthulian_axioms

From what I understand, the gig goes basically like this:

  • 3D print the parts you need
  • stick the parts into green-sand molds
  • cast the parts using the methods detailed in David Gingery's books
  • put the parts together
  • bang bang shooty fun

Wazhappenin1

even worse than i heard previously. You could buy recievers and low part kits all day long for that type of money and time investment. Hell you buy a stripped AR lower for 50$ or a polymer80 pistol lower for 150$.

cthulian_axioms

¿Porque no los dos? Cast what you can't buy.

Wazhappenin1

sure if you are rebuiding 16th century flint lock or if you are doing it out of a sense of hobby- like blacksmithing...then why not. The better subject would be 3d suppressors- they are more expensive, require ATF registration and are outright banned in certain states. NOw that would be an eyeopener.

guys setting up a 3d printer to build a silencer...but would you trust it? i mean theres alot of spark behind that lead.

cthulian_axioms

guys setting up a 3d printer to build a silencer...but would you trust it?

Depending on the design--which is presumably available in open source--why the fuck not?

I'm sure you know how a silencer works, but I'll sum up real quick for those who might be following along at home.

In modern firearms, the propellant for the bullet is gunpowder, which when ignited turns into super-hot gas moving super-fucking-fast. Supersonically fast, as a matter of fact. That's why gunshots are so goddamn loud -- all that supersonic hot gas makes a big bang when it comes out the barrel. The trick with a suppressor is to trap and slow down the gas to subsonic speeds, so it makes less of a bang.

Suppressors can be made from all sorts of materials, but the good ones are usually metal, with some sort of wadding inside them to muffle the bang.

I can absolutely envision a suppressor made from 1" steel tube with holes bored out of it using a drill press, packed with a wad of high-temp resistant 3D-printed filament--something like a coarse, semi-rigid sponge--with a hole in the middle of the cylinder for the bullet to travel.

Wazhappenin1

well i have to say you are changing my mind about the whole 3d printing business, thank you. Do you know how they rifled barrels in the begining? I mean i can look it up but you seem to know a lot about this.

cthulian_axioms

3D printing is fucking god-level technology, yo. It can be used for all sorts of interesting things.

Rifling is basically the operation of cutting a spiral groove (or three) down the center of a gun barrel. You essentially use a drill-and-tap set, with a very, very, very, very, very long bit. In olden times, a pattern was made from wood to accomplish this. See Foxfire vol. 5

Wazhappenin1

wow and they would cast around said wooden mold?

Do youhave a 3d printer?

cthulian_axioms

No, more like they used a 12x scale model of the barrel, made of wood, to drive a bit through through a barrel already bored out to the correct size, to give the borehole the proper twist, usually 1:12.

Wazhappenin1

what do you podcast-

cthulian_axioms

Radio dispatches from the occupied North Woods. I'm still working on more content for an initial release. I guess I should record some shit about 3D printed guns. I'll write down your UID and let you know when shit starts dropping.

Wazhappenin1

dude they are not that expensive, i had no idea. under a grand!

Wazhappenin1

i wouldn't even know where to begin listening to a podcast. North woods-Nice. have you ever considered HAM radio broadcasts. but yea sign me up. I wonder how much a 3d printer costs-1000's id imagine. ill check.

cthulian_axioms

have you ever considered HAM radio broadcasts

Abso-fuckin'-lutely. I'm working on putting together an SDR setup and an antenna so it'll be ready to go once I get my Technician's license.

As for where to begin, lots of websites (like soundcloud.com for example) have a whole podcast section, and you can often download episodes for free. See if there's anything that appeals to you. But I'll definitely PM you where to find mine when it drops.

As for the cost of 3D printers: yeah, they've come way down in price lately. This is an unmitigated good thing.

Soyboy69

Yeah I'd trust it, for the most part in the event of a failure the plastic should fly out mostly to the side rather than back at you, and I'd of course fire a few test rounds with a solid barrier between it and me but that's standard for any homemade firearm. in terms of practice shooting I'd want to wear some good eye protection though.

OhRutherfordBehave

Back? When did they ever go away?

AlphaOmega

Eventually 3D printers will be inexpensive, commonplace, and manufactured by the thousands. They will also be connected enough to know what the gubment says it’s not allowed to print.

the_art_collector

Just like how video game consoles know that you're not allowed to install emulators.

DIY-Guy

I don't trust plastic 3D printed guns especially with long term usage. Even with PETG plastic which is a combination PLA / ABS (two very common plastics to 3D print with) I'd still be hesitant. PETG is designed to remove the worse elements of PLA / ABS and keep the best elements of PLA / ABS at the same time or at least is intended that way overall.

Personally to get something worthwhile I'd figure I'd have to at least spend $25k to $50k on a metal 3D printer. IDK personally on this, but from what I gather to get decent quality at least especially over a long period of time this is what I figure I'd at least need.

RoundWheel

Petg is not a combination of pla and abs.

DIY-Guy

here you go

https://toms3d.org/2018/02/05/things-know-petg/

A.K.A. CPE, but PETG as I posted.

VoatieMcVoatFace

You can make the lower receiver and some other parts. You can buy the barrel and working mechanisms with out a background check.

DIY-Guy

I've seen that online, but it's not worth it to me. Even guns from companies explode and/or have mishaps. I personally do not trust a 3D printed metal gun / weapon. But yes that's true from what I've seen online.

ArcAngel

use it like the liberator pistol... take an armed enemy combatant, & take their equipment.. wash rinse repeat... only takes one head shot from a plastic gun to get a nice M4 or AK

Soyboy69

At that point a fucking pellet gun becomes a better option, I've seen ones in .356 that can fire up to ten shots decent shots on a single tank with five round mags, was probably bolt action but that's still better than a single shot...

ArcAngel

years ago, one of my friends had a .22 pelet gun. pump up kind. almost went through the head of a shovel i think it was a benjamin or beeman

Soyboy69

A brass tipped or high weight slug-slyle pellet probably would have went through, and in general .22 pellets tend to be short and stubby in comparison to .25 and especially .177 so either of those likely would have gone through as well.

Honestly from my small amount of experience multipumps are an absolute bitch and a half in terms of reliability, You can get a springer for a similar price with similar power and it will be reliable and easily serviceable, or spend a bit more, get a PCP and have most of your problems come from your external pump.

ArcAngel

shit.. this was back in the early 80s.... i got a crossman pellet rifle for pests, cuz the 5.56 or 12ga scares the neighbors

DIY-Guy

3D printing one can / could take upwards of 5 days alone if not longer. That's saying nothing went wrong either.

3dk

Legal (in some states) 3D printer for rifles: https://ghostgunner.net

theHare

that was funny.

thelma

Its not illegal anywhere .. the government cannot regulate guns.

AlternateSelection

Can you print in polymer? Also how do you 3D print the barrel or the slide? I don't get how you can actually fire a bullet out of a 3D printed gun, unless you can now print in steel, which I doubt.

RoundWheel

It's called sintering. Metal particles are hit with a laser. They bond. Final print is baked at high temp which solidifies the object.

3d printed metal guns are already a thing. Not sure of the safety, accuracy, or longevity.

sbt2160p

I think the idea is to print the regulated parts like a pistol frame or the lower part of a rifle. Then you can freely buy your own parts to add onto it to form a fully functioning firearm.

AlternateSelection

Yeah that makes a bit more sense. It would make functioning firearms a lot cheaper. We have the right to keep and bear arms, so we should have the right to create and build said arms.

TwooPsy

Guns are ridiculously easy to make. I've made guns with and without printers and the shitty, scrap metal ones are legitimately better than the 3D printed ones.

3D printers are good for prototyping though, which is nice.

Gorillion

Now to 3D print an attack helicopter.

thelma

Nuclear sub or B-52.

Think large or go home !

Anomalia

Nah... too many parts to be assembled. Start printing some bullets or some gold bars and exchange them for USD... that's how 3d printing works, right?

KILLtheRATS

Just print another hitler

Anomalia

I think I'll start with printing and selling cookie cutters with somehow forbidden "shapes".

TwooPsy

It would be more economical, durable, and less time consuming to just make them yourself out of sheet metal.

mrgreenjeans9

no, that's how cryptocurrency works

theoldones

they have printers large enough to print a concrete house, you can print in several materials, and install sensitive components only afterwards. moving parts mark be printed in simple sections.

it's theoretically possible.

Womb_Raider

If you want to be realistic about making advanced components with a 3d printer, you'll need to buy an Ender 3 or similar printer for cheap, then build something akin to this 3D printed dremel CNC , and from there mill components out of aluminum block.

Once you have aluminum, perhaps it would be possible to replace the 3D printed parts and upgrade your dremel to a true CNC motor (possibly upgrade your 3-axis motors also) and you'd have a properly assembled CNC machine for very cheap.

Once you have your CNC that is capable of milling soft steels like stainless, the world becomes your oyster. From there you could make just about any significant firearm advanced component you desire, as well as other things.

NSA, please don't punish me for making this post. Thank you.

TwooPsy

I've had this exact train of thought before. Anyone with some patience and ingenuity could use a simple printer/CNC mill to catapult themselves into high-end manufacturing over time with almost only the costs of materials.

Anomalia

Or buy a used mill and lathe, start learning metalwork... it is not that hard only takes some time.

Womb_Raider

You were seemingly arguing that 3d printing wasn't viable... so I wanted to provide another perspective based on my own experience. You could also easily purchase a lathe and mill but... isn't making something, or most of something, rewarding?

DIY-Guy

Theoretically you could get a metal printer and 3D print gold bars if it's capable of printing with gold. If you were into scrap gold metal harvesting or something like that. You could also 3D print ammo with a metal 3D printer as long as you have the design for it.

Anomalia

That's not how 3d metal printer work.

ArcAngel

how are gonna print the fulmiate for the primers or the NG/NC smokeless powder tho.. besides, its easier to just pour your own bullets.

ravensedgesom

There are already a shit ton of hand built pistols and rifles already around you don't even need a 3D printer.

Sosacms

Well no shit. We've fought wars with guns based off of what some random farmer built with random scrap. We could make our own guns a long time ago...

FireWalkWithPodesta

It would be easier, cheaper and faster to build a shotgun. It costs probably 10 bucks.

Sosacms

True. For home defense, 9 times out of 10, 1-2 shots are all you need. However, better to have it and not need it and all that.