hafen

I buy it.

Tesla's Elon Musk: We're 'Summoning the Demon' with Artificial Intelligence

I mean with artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon. Y'know those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, and he's like "yeah you're sure you can control a demon"? It doesn't work out.

Geordie Rose of Kindred AI presents Super-intelligent Aliens Are Coming to Earth

So the one thing I can tell you, is they're not going to be like us. So alien means you know different. These things that we're building are not going to be people. They might be really smart they might be really good at all sorts of different things, but they're not gonna be like us. They're gonna be aliens, and they're gonna be, I'm sorry to say, way smarter than every single person in this room in ways that we can't even comprehend.

So this of course triggers a lot of alarm. One of the guys who talks about this is Elon, who says things like this. like “when you do this beware, because you think just like the guy in the stories, that when you do this you're gonna put that that that little guy in a pentagram, and you're gonna have your holy water out and you're gonna wave it at the thing and by god it's gonna do exactly what you say and not one thing more but it never works out that way."

So this is an this is an attitude that some are having, this emerging alarmism about the way this is gonna go, but this these words ‘demons’, doesn't capture the essence of what's happening here.

I don't know if any of you are turn-of-the-century weird fiction fans, but there's this guy named HP Lovecraft, who's a very famous American weird fiction author, and he exposed a hue which is called cosmicism, and the essence of cosmicism is cosmic indifference. So he what he was saying is basically yes there are these massively intelligent entities out there, but they're not good, they're not evil, they just don't give a about you even in the slightest. The same way you don't care about an ant, is the same way they're not gonna care about you, and these things that were summoning into the world now are not demons, they're not evil, but they're more like the Lovecraftian great old ones.

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They are entities that are not necessarily going to be aligned with what we want. So this transition is really really massively important for our entire species to navigate, and, going back to that thing that Sam Harris was saying, nobody is paying attention. This thing is happening in the background while people bicker about politics, and what what's gonna be in the health care plan in the US, and underneath it all is this rising tsunami, that if we're not careful is going to wipe us all out.

Paging /u/AlphaAndTheOmega , /u/wizlord , /u/ardvarcus , /u/Goys-R-Us , and /u/oftotc to make sure this is seen, since the thread petering out.

oftotc

I lean towards Goys-R-Us's answer in that the topic itself is subject to mysticism because people can't see and touch electrons moving thru copper or silicon. The effect seems supernatural because there is little to relate to as a human because of the enormous number of computations that occurred because you slid a mouse pointer across a monitor screen. If one were lacking any physics or chemistry knowledge and began a computer tech education, one would know he was dealing with technology (science applied to human usable forms), but on a psychological level, one would comfortably ascribe the underpinning science as a type of magic: the effects of hidden or unknown forces. So developing a mythology to support that psychology is normal and expected.

However, I am a firm believer that mankind's assumptions that we posses all the necessary organs to sense the entirety of the cosmos is folly. There are things we can't know because we don't have the means to even perceive their existence, yet we might experience detectable data in the things we CAN perceive as they are affected by such objects and forces. These are the reasons why I'm interested in the topic, but I have yet to digest the linked info to see the data points it may add. I had a great conversation w/ OP instead ;-)

Goys-R-Us

Scare tactics for the plebes. Otherwise known as mind control for the sheeple.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Oh absolutely. Anyone who's given AI any sort of thought over the span of their life beyond just more than "oh it vacuums dirt and cleans up cat shit for us" knows that it's not going to be a great idea. And like Elon said in the Joe Rogan podcast, no one is going to listen, because their heads will be so far up their own ass that they think it'll be okie dokie.

This is why it's SO important to practice spiritualism. It's what separates us from the machine.

wizlord

It is an insteresting theory that I have contaplated a lot in the last few years. One of the biggest hint to all this is some of the names and terms they used to describe some computer things. Examples? A process that runs in the background in Linux is called a deamon. Also, aswitchcraft was stating that there was 4 elements and a 5th one, Ether, they named the technology behind the Internet, they called it Ethernet.

In addition, one of the most important discovery that led to computers, the dual nature of light and quantum mechanics in general is the behavior of transistors. Computers would not exist without them. But the way they operate is so "out of this world" that, to explain it, they had to come up with dual nature of light and quantim mechanics, which honestly feels like a load of BS. Yes, actually, maybe transistors work because they trapped a demon inside. Call me crazy. I'm just a seeker of truth.

Duchozz

Ah good post mate. Do me a favor and let me know if theres a conclusion. This rings true to me.

And if you believe this, I suggest you also look to Quran for guidance as well as the Bible and the Torah. Quran is the clearest of the three though.

ardvarcus

Some truth in this conspiracy theory. Science is inherently Luciferian. It is innately contrary to religion. Computers are the product of science.

Goys-R-Us

In other headlines, batboy found hanging upside down in cave.

ardvarcus

It's all slander, he was just stretching his bad back.

theoldones

there's actually a few fiction series with this principle that might be white-hat intel

in occult theory, an electronically charged circuit can be a shaped conduit.

AlphaAndTheOmega

I love the one instant downvote

AlphaAndTheOmega

I've been curious about the occult in my 20's and I finally came to Christ after. The thread I linked accurately describes my observations.

oftotc

For reasons of my own, and with no accusations in your direction OP, I avoid chans and am skeptical when low-aged voat accounts invite me to click their links into the chans. I mention this so you understand my question, which again, is proffered w/o insinuation: why couldn't you make a voat post out of this instead of a chan post? I'm actually interested in the discussion, but I'd like to have it here .

AlphaAndTheOmega

Here's an archive link little baby. Do you need help wiping your ass too?

https://archive.fo/0u4LK

Goys-R-Us

You don't sound very Christ like. Maybe you need to work on not being a prick? Just a thought.

AlphaAndTheOmega

God is my judge.

Goys-R-Us

So you go through life being a dick and when anyone calls you out on it you fall back on God is my judge? Pro tip: Jesus said whatsover you do for the least of my brothers that you do unto me. Translation: you should treat people the same way you would treat Jesus were he standing in front of you.

You hypocritical Christians are the worst kind of self deluded schmucks.

AlphaAndTheOmega

"I'm a better Christian than you and I'm not even a Christian!" Are you sure you're not a Christian? Seems pretty Christ-like of you. Make your mind up dude.

Goys-R-Us

Where did I say I was a better Christian than you? I know what Christ taught as I was steeped in that tradition. That doesn't mean I follow it. You professed to follow it but you treat people poorly. Is there some cosmic God ordained Christian law that says you can only listen to other Christians when they point out you might not be living up to the very ideals you profess to adhere to? Does that make any sense to you?

AlphaAndTheOmega

I think it's hilarious that I don't fit your predetermined idea of what a Christian is and that's causing you to have an autistic meltdown.

Goys-R-Us

My idea of a Christian is what Jesus said. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Do you consider being a dick to fit that commandment?

You're really squirming here. I'm enjoying watching the ever increasing levels of justification you're providing instead of just admitting you might, just might not be acting like Jesus would.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Listen dude it's ok you're getting outsmarted by a Christian I know that's a first for your 200 iq atheist brain but you just gotta learn to deal with that :)

Goys-R-Us

Son, you suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect.

AlphaAndTheOmega

typical leftist liberal bullshit where they project their own insecurities onto someone else as an insult. Now I'm in your head bud. Keep em coming.

Goys-R-Us

No self reflection. No ability to even consider you could do better. Just sure in your fragile ego that you have an imaginary friend that will forgive you for being an asshole when the time comes. It's a childlike view of life. You might as well believe in Santa Clause. And I'm more right wing than you'll ever be you fake religious tard. Having completely dominated your low IQ posts, I've now grown tired of you. Blocked bitch.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Let me tell you something. I haven't been on this world as long as I have and learned how to deal with people like you. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to roll over and die. Christ made that sacrifice for us. You don't get to decide my walk with God, God does. I don't answer to you, I don't have to fit your preconceived ideas of what you THINK my walk with Christ is about. I've done shit that I regret, and I quit doing that shit. But one thing I tried to quit doing is letting assholes like you try to tell me how I should and shouldn't live as a Christian, and I started letting God tell me how I should live, and he tells me I shouldn't let smug, self-satisfied retards like you tell me how to live my life. I'm not going to just throw out my ability to think because YOU think I'm not being the type of Christian you're used to "le epic trolling". You're the asshole here dude.

AlphaAndTheOmega

says the atheist

AlphaAndTheOmega

sick dude thanks.

AlphaAndTheOmega

"says the atheist"

Goys-R-Us

Go back and show me where I said I was an atheist you twit.

It's like I'm talking to an 80 IQ nigger.

AlphaAndTheOmega

I know I'm not perfect, but I will say it again, unless you are a Christian you have absolutely 0 moral authority to talk down on my actions.

Goys-R-Us

Unless I am a Christian I can't see that you treat others poorly? Is that what you're going with?

Lol, you have a lot to learn. You should try some humility.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Do you seriously expect me to believe that scared little man who says "i'm afraid of 4chan but I'm on the voat conspiracy board" honestly is afraid of 4chan. Because I don't.

I'm not the next billy graham dude. I'm just an imperfect guy who's curious about the world and happens to believe in Christ. I apologize that I don't hold up to your perfect view of what an atheist thinks Christians should act like.

Goys-R-Us

Read this post and tell me this guy was anything but nice and deferential:

"For reasons of my own, and with no accusations in your direction OP, I avoid chans and am skeptical when low-aged voat accounts invite me to click their links into the chans. I mention this so you understand my question, which again, is proffered w/o insinuation: why couldn't you make a voat post out of this instead of a chan post? I'm actually interested in the discussion, but I'd like to have it here."

Not a word of hostility or accusations of you being a shill or having ulterior motives or anything. Seems to me he went out of his way to be nice. And you shit all over him because your nature is to be a dick. That's not very Christian period. Tell yourself anything you want in your head, that's not the way a Christian would act.

Take of this what you want. I have no dogs in this hunt but it blows me away when someone calls themselves a Christian and immediately turns around and acts like a complete asshole. I calls em like I sees em.

See you in hell son.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Dude voat hosted the muslim girl beheading videos and the christchurch shooting. Get fucking real.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Christians could really use a guy like you. You should join!

oftotc

Could just be me, but I think it's weird to offer ass touching to someone you just met ;-)

AlphaAndTheOmega

It wasn't an offer, it was an observation. You seem like the type of person who needs someone else to help them wipe. Get bent idiot.

oftotc

So that whole, "coming to Christ" thing hasn't had much effect yet I see.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Has it for you?

oftotc

You really want to talk about me ?

AlphaAndTheOmega

Yeah dude go ahead.

oftotc

Assuming you're done w/ the abrasiveness ... but, why? I commented on your lack of civility, thus branding you a hypocrite, even if only temporarily. So really whatever impact an epiphany had on me seems irrelevant until we get past that part.

AlphaAndTheOmega

What are you even saying?

oftotc

That your behavior does not match your professed philosophy.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Voat hosted the Christchurch shooting and the Morocco beheading and you're telling me you're too afraid of 4chan's /x/ board?

oftotc

No.
Is there a reason you chose to create content on the chan instead of voat? I mean, you could have linked to voat from the chan instead.

AlphaAndTheOmega

WHAT? I didn't create that thread dude.

oftotc

Well I misunderstood that - went back and re-read. Definitely my mistake. I was wrong .

AlphaAndTheOmega

It's ok dude, we're all wrong sometimes.

oftotc

Am I wrong to think you have an agenda? Christians are low hanging fruit for trolls, dude. Many are too easily wound up with indignation and defensiveness. Getting a Christian angry or to say something that appears offensive or repugnant is middle-school trolling. Your tactics are promising, but I hope this is just practice for other groups what need poked, because the reward is equivalent to the challenge and you can do better.

AlphaAndTheOmega

What are you saying?

oftotc

:-)

AlphaAndTheOmega

What a shit band.

AlphaAndTheOmega

Complain to your mom that you won't click a chan link but you think voat is any better. You're an NPC dude.

Goys-R-Us

And you're an asshole masquerading as a Christian. Fuck off.

AlphaAndTheOmega

If I'm a bad Christian what does that make you?

Goys-R-Us

What kind of logic is that? I never claimed to be anything. You said you're a Christian and you then treat people disrespectfully for no good reason. That makes you a fraud. Are you thick?

AlphaAndTheOmega

If you're not a Christian than you have no grounds to even assume what it means to be one, let alone my personal walk with Christ/God. Before you take the splinter out of my eyes take the plank out of yours.

Goys-R-Us

Oh fuck off. You're treating a guy on voat like shit when he asked you a reasonable question in a nice way. Own it bitch. You can try to be a real Christian or be a fraud. Up to you faggot.

AlphaAndTheOmega

You understand what you're saying right? If you're not a Christian you have absolutely no authority to tell me whether or not I'm being a good Christian.

Goys-R-Us

Bullshit. If you're objectively being a dick, whether I'm a Christian or Buddhist or atheist and I can call you out on it. You don't get some magic get out of being called out card because you're a supposed Christian. If anything, you should reflect on whether you're being a dick and try to do better and not hide behind this stupid schtick of God is my judge, not you. How the fuck do you think God is going to tell you you're being a dick? Two lightening bolts to your car? Get a clue you stupid fuck. I am the voice of God in this case and I'm telling you you're being a dick.

AlphaAndTheOmega

says the atheist

Goys-R-Us

I've responded to a number of your posts but now I am starting to see you have a low IQ and I can't help you there. Good luck.

oftotc

Chill, dude. It was just a question.

AlphaAndTheOmega

I refuse to believe this guy is that afraid of 4chan when he visits a site like voat. Sorry I wasn't born yesterday.

oftotc

I never said "afraid".