trevmon

sounds like actually she had AIDS

madhatter67

My main problem with veganism is it turns your hair blue

Adrianmc

Yeah, there's the problem, right there: "Virpi began following the raw eating espoused by David 'Avocado' (((Wolfe))), from San Diego in the U.S. She also took to New York author Kimberly (((Snyder))), famous for her supposedly radiance-bestowing smoothies and juices."

Dr_LeeroyJenkins

Is wolfe jewish? I mean , it seems obvious with that fucking hair of his.

Empire_of_the_mind

No, the problem is that the vegan diet is bullshit. Every one of them ends up going through a cascade of alternative fad approaches like raw diet, all because THEY FEEL LIKE SHIT. If the diet worked, they'd just eat whatever. There are loads of videos on youtube from well-known ex vegans, many of whom were big promoters. They all say exactly the same thing - "I ate protein from animal sources to stay healthy, when i didn't I was very sick," etc etc. YT bans these videos.

Adrianmc

I think in a round about way we're in agreement here. (((YT))) bans these videos.

Empire_of_the_mind

all reasonable people can agree that the vegan diet is a mess.

albatrosv15

A psyop to destroy the fertility of the white women.

Empire_of_the_mind

it seems to destroy their mental health first

Crayonall9t

First they ignore your (done) Then they laugh at you (done) Then they fight you (here now) Then you win (coming soon, faggots)

Zanbato

what this lady is doing, is probably RAW FOOD diet (which is commonly confused/overlap with vegan). Raw food is not healthy, you will become malnourished fairly quickly and will be bad for your body.

Empire_of_the_mind

keep telling yourself that, retard

dundundunnnnn

Pastured raw meat is fine for the human body.

Zanbato

seriously raw meat? lol. Do you let it sit in the sun for 6 months first?

dundundunnnnn

Fresh raw meat and rotten meat, humans can (and have) eat both.

Do I need to list the cultures and meats traditionally eaten in a rotten state or are you capable of looking into that information for yourself?

Empire_of_the_mind

humans can eat rotten meat just fine.

Zanbato

yeah it tastes delicious eh

Empire_of_the_mind

i'm sure it's an acquired taste

Zanbato

no, animals that eat rotting carcass, (like vultures) have extremely acidic stomach, much more than humans. Also they probably won't vomit when they taste it. Humans are naturally eating plants and vegetables, that is why fruit tastes good almost universally to humans. Humans have primate digestion system, which is herbivore based.

Empire_of_the_mind

You don't know what you're talking about

Zanbato

go watch more Sv3rige

Empire_of_the_mind

Imagine basing all of your information on one YT guy who once got himself hospitalized because he ate too many vegetables. Sv3rige is great for what he is doing but he's by no means the end-all and is frequently wrong. He has been open about how frequently he was wrong in the past as well. Zebras don't often change their stripes. His raw meat diet is just another manifestation of his extremist eating habits.

Rotten meat requires knowledge he doesn't have because he's honestly not particularly intelligent.

Zanbato

Rotten meat requires knowledge

Yes, the knowledge is don't eat it. It's what your human instinct will tell you, unless you are about to die of starvation

Empire_of_the_mind

no, actually the knowledge is that fermented meat and organs can be an extremely effective medicine for human illnesses.

think about the many tens of thousands of years where humans lived on earth with almost nothing technological to help us. you can't always make a fire to cook meat. you can't always find fresh food. people ate what they could, just like animals on earth without microwaves and delivery services do today. the human body is incredibly resilient - it's a fucking crime that we shit all over it with our industrialized food industry.

LightningAndTheSun

She's finnish, all finns are known for the capability to survive solely on fish, sauna, and seasonal affective disorder

ArcAngel

she needs to at more sausage,, lotsa protien for a healthy body

Awful-Falafel

Must have to do with estrogen levels in soy affecting hormones. Interesting, and obviously unhealthy.

Le_Squish

Nutrition affects fertility a lot. You don't magically turn an age and become fertile nor is your fertility guaranteed to be protected until a certain age. I known women that entered menopause at the cusp of thirty and women that entered near 60 with 10+ kids to show for it. A woman's body needs fuel to maintain the hormone levels to keep eggs healthy and viable.

Tiptop88

Good. That bitch shouldn’t be allowed to have kids.

Empire_of_the_mind

it's as though god has a plan

meowski

It's somewhere between difficult and impossible to get enough cholesterol, iron and good quality protein on a vegan diet, and all hormones are synthesized from cholesterol, so this is not that surprising

Zanbato

Cholesterol, tell me you are trolling please.

dundundunnnnn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SVB99mJHA

Nearly every cell in your body makes cholesterol.

You're the troll.

FahuckYahoo

All the cholesterol you need is made by the body. Dogs, for example, can be fed pure cholesterol and it's body is equipped to deal with it - it's impossible for dogs to get high cholesterol. Not so for humans.

Zanbato

not watching a video from your retarded paleo health channel. Humans make their own cholesterol, and getting excess from animals causes heart disease.

Have you literally ever heard of someone with a "cholesterol deficiency" ?

Zanbato

inflammation caused by ............................ LDL cholesterol lol

dundundunnnnn

Without inflammation being present in the body, there is no way that cholesterol can accumulate in the wall of the blood vessel and cause heart disease and strokes. Without sufficient magnesium in the body inflammation results and it is the inflammation that causes cholesterol to become trapped.

Adam_Jensen_

getting excess from animals causes heart disease

I don't believe that is true, cholesterol isn't simply one substance, it becomes very complex.

There is very good reason eggs and milk have significant quantities of cholesterol. "Nature" wouldn't give high levels of cholesterol to encourage offspring of having heart disease.

Zanbato

Baby animals are only fed mothers milk for a few months in their life.

dundundunnnnn

Cholesterol, a substance required for the normal function of cells, is present in every cell of the human body. It is also found in the bloodstream. The soft waxy substance is produced in the body and is essential for the production of vitamin D, bile salts and hormones.

Gigglestick

She went through menopause at 37. Thirty-flipin-seven!

ArcAngel

no need to pull out then.

ardvarcus

Veganism is a cult religion. When you deliberately distort your natural diet, there are consequences. Human beings are designed to eat meat as well as fruits, vegetables, grains and other plant foods.

Zanbato

humans and primates are NOT designed to eat meat. That is why we get arteriosclerosis from eating meat. Natural carnivores (you know, the animals with actual sharp teeth and claws) will never get it even eating unlimited meat.

dundundunnnnn

Human beings are designed to eat...fruits, vegetables, grains

  1. prove it

  2. everything available now is a man-made hybrid; none of the fruits, vegetables or grains available are anything close to the form they are found in nature, so again I say

  3. prove it

PsiloTheWolf

Know what else is unnatural and man made besides modern produce? Domestic meat. If your argument applies to vegetables and fruit, it also applies to beef etc. Seriously its so far different from wild game, and its fed with fucking corn and whatnot, and pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and shit. Wild game is the ticket.

dundundunnnnn

I don't disagree at all.

4saken

We aren't designed to eat meat, We Evolved to eat meat. Here is the study proving that: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16990

dundundunnnnn

Also...

That study mentions smaller stomachs.

H. erectus differs from earlier hominins in having relatively smaller teeth, reduced chewing muscles, weaker maximum bite force capabilities, and a relatively smaller gut

What do the stomachs of animals who eat plants all day look like?

I'll wait.

4saken

Dude, what point are you trying to drive home to me, we AGREE.

dundundunnnnn

You said

We aren't designed to eat meat, We Evolved to eat meat. Here is the study proving that:

We are designed to eat raw meat.

4saken

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/

Look man, I don't agree with ya on that one. We could not all be immune to the diseases that are in raw meat. We would not have had antibodies to fight them off. We would have had people dieing from it until only those who weren't effect, those who had genes to combat it, survived. Thus Evolution, survival of the fittest.

I am not going to say that God didn't create man.

Lastly, I linked the wrong study, that is my fault. The last time I had to reference this study it was in the top results. It isn't now. We know why after reading the study I first posted.

dundundunnnnn

As a side note, it's refreshing to see a few users on voat who don't buy into the vegan/plant-based NWO diet propaganda. I've had a hell of a time trying to reach people on other subs. They just call names. I've never actually run into other users who know better. Nice.

4saken

I am a Texan. Beef is king. Nothing else matters in my diet.

dundundunnnnn

diseases that are in raw meat.

Ayyyyyyeeee, false premise. Start over.

4saken

No more responses. I just stated that but I had this one sitting in my box. Last nibble at this topic. You can make claims like that but I linked the correct study and laid out why in my most recent response. We went from plants to meat. That is evolving your diet. No more responses from me on this topic.

dundundunnnnn

Our more remote ancestors were herbivores eating grasses, digested by gut symbionts, then frugivores and insectivores eating enough animal protein to supply vitamin B12 and some nicotinamide – either by chance on fruit or more actively, such as fishing for termites.

Zero source given for this. The next sentence

Hominids and early Homo increased meat intake but remained omnivores not carnivores, despite being top predators.77,78

Go check out 77 and 78 and let me know where you find this information.

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8p-AG8cqCJwC&oi=fnd&pg=PT6&ots=jABZkzEoXw&sig=2xspyVFlBsCkhf9Ga7MK4Ekhprg#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=nyPgBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&ots=_bmN-8Ccug&sig=HFX5V4bBDk5IvaEsf2w6fremNFw#v=onepage&q&f=false

dundundunnnnn

We went from plants to meat.

That is not what that study says. Where are you getting this information from in the study?

dundundunnnnn

We are designed to eat raw meat, we evolved to eat cooked meat.

Who paid for that study?

Who pays the piper gets to pick the tune.

4saken

We know the answer to that, my point was evolution was involved. THE main point is that we agree that meat is necessary to the human diet today. Those who don't consume it are mentally deficient just by the pure nature of them not getting the correct nutrients to maintain a healthy brain.

dundundunnnnn

You said we aren't designed to eat meat.

That's not true.

We are designed to eat meat. We did not evolve to eat meat.

4saken

The study I just links argues against that claim. You can claim your side and I can claim mine, I have provided a link for my claim to a study that discusses the fact we evolved to eat meat. We started out foraging then went to hunting. Therefore, by simple logic we Evolved from eating a plant based diet to a meat based diet. Our teeth even had to evolve to consume it.

We can agree to disagree man. I don't want to waste any more time on this topic.

dundundunnnnn

The study I just linked argues against that claim.

Which part of the study argues that humans are not designed to eat raw meat?

4saken

I agree to disagree. Last response on this thread.

dundundunnnnn

You and NPR are free to agree with each other

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/05/19/478645426/humans-are-meathooked-but-not-designed-for-meat-eating

How dose that feel? Knowing you and NPR agree? We're in the conspiracy sub, so I expect you know who runs NPR and who and what they work for. Fun!

dundundunnnnn

I don't think you actually read the study or it's sources.

2fast4u92

We are designed to eat a large majority of meat, with a bit of fruit, grain, and tubers. Vegetables (as in leaves, not tubers like potatoes or fruits that are commonly called vegetables like the tomato) are designed by nature to have toxins to prevent their being eaten by animals. These are bad for you in every way. Kale, which vegans seem to love, is one of the worst.

nukeclear

Ask me how I know you’re a fatass

Empire_of_the_mind

Vegetables don't make you thin, retard

2fast4u92

Why do you think I'm a fatass, in light of the fact that in Sweden, the hunter/fishers of the North were far healthier than the farmers of the South? Or the fact that our brain size/gut size ratio and stomach acidity clearly points towards us needing a meat heavy diet? Maybe I should make clear, when I say meat, I don't mean McMeat, I mean the real stuff.

notaspy

Makes me wonder about chinks. They use meat mainly for garnish and vegetables as their main course. American-Chinese food is mega calorie and basically White mans food. This is why, imo, chinks are just like niggers - far below White people. Sure they are great human computers, but they burn dogs alive and eat them so... Fuck thisgayearth.jpg

2fast4u92

Chinks may not be overweight, but they are undersized in general. Americans and nowdays most white countries eat too much processed shit, which is why we see obesity. Fresh meat is the healthiest food for us. It's been proven that we can literally eat meat and water and be just fine. To get all nutrients though eating the organs of herbivores is nessesary, and such a diet would be quite boring, so I don't think such extremes are nescessary. But our stomach acidity is designed for meat. Eating lots of plant based food just weighs our gut down as we aren't set up to completely break it down, unlike herbivores which usually have more than one stomach, of lower acidity which allows the needed bacteria to grow which breaks it all the way down.

notaspy

Wow, thanks for the info! I was vegan for a short stint and I was constantly hungry even after eating bowls and bowls of grain and veggies. Nothing satiates like meat.

goodbyehorses

Moralfag, how is eating chickens, calf etc justified but hurr durr no, don't eat dogs!

notaspy

Enjoy your dog meat, fucking savage

dundundunnnnn

Effeminate, technology stealing, cheaters. Try again.

Tiptop88

Grains, this includes potatoes and corn, are incomplete foods and should be eaten sparingly. Grains are good for calories, but lack many micro nutrients. Sticking to vegetables and meat, this includes organs, will provide you with everything your body needs.

2fast4u92

Yes. But tubers (roots, potatoes, carrots, etc) and vegetables that are actually fruit (contain seeds, tomatoes etc) are far healthier than leaves (spinach, lettuce, kale) In general our stomach acidity and brain size to gut size ratio is what points to meat being what we are primarily made to eat. Eating lots of plant based material puts a lot of dead weight in our guts as our stomach acidity is too high for many bacteria that herbivores have to grow and completely break down plant matter. I try to eat a majority of meat and the rest mostly tubers and fruits, with some grains but only for varietys sake. It has been shown that herbivores organs contain all the vitamins from plants that we actually need so one could survive solely on meat and water, but it would be pretty boring.

Tiptop88

I also try to eat mostly meat. Grass fed is the most ideal. If you can incorporate organ meat into your diet, you can cut your plant intake by even less. Organ meats contain the highest amount of micronutrients per ounce.

Also, your take on kale is 💯.

2fast4u92

Absolutely. I am trying to incorporate more organs, and eat more game rather than story bought meat as I know it's healthier. I've always had a good metabolism so for a long time I just ate whatever and didn't care, but since I've actively been eating healthier my energy levels have improved noticably.

LightningAndTheSun

Grains destroy your GI tract for the most part. There's a reason grains were historically saved for peasants while the king got the good meat.

Empire_of_the_mind

Veganism fucks with people's mental health and needs to be vigorously opposed.

sometimessage

Have you ever learned about the defining features of a cult? Veganism does not come close.

P.S. evolution is not sentient and therefore cannot design anything.

70times7

Designed? As in by God?

Then no. They are not designed for meat.

Mans first diet was only seeds and nuts. (Genesis 1:29)

If you mean human beings "evolved" to eat meat, then meh. We can skip the back and forth and i'll just bang my head against the desk.

Empire_of_the_mind

Or, you know, you fail to understand Genesis.

70times7

Problem with that is, by the grace of God, i dont.

Id link you to a lecture on the ridiculous of evolution, using secular sources as the ridicule. But as it is 5 hours long and a thorough scientific debunking of evolution, I know you wont care.

<random distraction show> will be on soon. I dont want you to miss it.

Go <sportsteam> !

Niggardly_Jew

Vegans feel good immediately after switching to veganism because they cut out a lot of bad things from their diet, particularly bread and corn, which suck without meat or butter to complement them. Then, much time later, nutrient deficiencies begin to crop up as they are unable to resupply important vitamins and minerals through veganism.

Some people, like Jordan Peterson, advocate for an all carnivore diet, as it eases some of their autoimmune symptoms.

To find the best diet for you, start with only one food (e.g. beef), and eat that one food for 30 days. Then, add another food (e.g. broccoli) and eat those two foods for 30 days. You'll notice the reactions you have to the food after a month and be able to decide for yourself if you want to keep it in your diet.

FahuckYahoo

Nutrient deficiencies do not "begin to pop up" the modern diet is already deficient. Many people are deficient in magnesium for example. Which nutrient deficiencies "pop up" due to a vegan diet? B12? Simple as taking a pill everyday. B12 is a deficiency that can affect anyone.

SavageSeasons

Ewww SICK!

Kooshed

Surprise