veteran88

A lot of the uranium the niggerkike Obama sold to Russia was under his land.

cT9NlRLhxlyr

This comes down to a question of ownership: Can the federal government simply decide that it “owns” 1/8th of the country?

Yes. It's right here in the Constitution : 

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations
respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.

BigWind

When I read Article I Section 8, I see the property congress has power over was to have been "purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be". Be it noted that none of the western states had their "national" forests and all that other such purchased from them.

cT9NlRLhxlyr

Be it noted that none of the western states had their "national" forests and all that other such purchased from them.

Be it noted that what the federal government didn't take from Mexico in the Mexican-American war was purchased from France, Russia, and Mexico by the federal government before there were any states. The states set up shop on federal land. The federal government owes them nothing. A better question would be whether the states purchased the land from the federal government.

BigWind

You know that Oregon was a state long before the first national forest was ever created by congress, right?

The even better question is whether you feel the need to deny the authority of Article 1 Section 8, or just the need to act as a lackey of the corrupted to help subjugate all the States to the crush of those who believe the entire country should be regarded as just mere "Territory or other Property"?

cT9NlRLhxlyr

You know that Oregon was a state long before the first national forest was ever created by congress, right?

Yep, but the land was federal land. There is no national forest, national park, national monument, or any other federal land that was created by seizing land from a state.

The even better question is whether you feel the need to deny the authority of Article 1 Section 8

More astute readers probably figured out that the federal government literally cannot purchase land from a state that does not own the land. You can't sell property you don't own. Hopefully that will help you understand the situation more clearly.

BigWind

Ignoring the fact that the feds were to hold land of territories in trust until statehood, there is still the problem of feds claiming ownership of land after statehood was granted.

More perceptive readers caught that immediately.

cT9NlRLhxlyr

Ignoring the fact that the feds were to hold land of territories in trust until statehood, there is still the problem of feds claiming ownership of land after statehood was granted.

The land was never granted to the states. Not before statehood, and not after. It never belonged to the states for one minute.

BigWind

Fuck, you're right. I always forget that it's the United Providences of America on this timeline.

cT9NlRLhxlyr

Instead of being sarcastic, you could just research the actual bills that admitted the states to the union. For example, Nevada's admission acts specify:

the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States

BigWind

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

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and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;

cT9NlRLhxlyr

What's your point? Are you trying to suggest that all the states after the original 13 shouldn't exist because the United States acquired the land unconstitutionally?