QuestionEverything

Cisco is at the point now where they actually HIDE their shipments to some customers.

They literally ship it from an alternate area in unidentified boxes.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/cisco_shipping_.html

If cisco didn't have a near monopoly on some finer points of network transmission, they'd have gone belly up. Because who would buy shit from Cisco KNOWING there was a backdoor on it?

Kicker: CISCO know about this. AND CANNOT TALK ABOUT. They CANNOT SUE.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140518/17433327281/cisco-goes-straight-to-president-to-complain-about-nsa-intercepting-its-hardware.shtml

mracidglee

This is true, but note that the article is over a year old, backdoors were for outside the US only (as far as was disclosed at Snowden's level), and apparently NSA has to intercept the devices en route to insert the backdoors. So the FW/HW in domestic machines is probably ok.

AreWeHuman

nah. it's probably not ok.

xeemee

i would say that's a very reckless statement given the current state of domestic surveillance - no offense intended, just sayin'

this level of surveillance is EXTREMELY pervasive -- and keep in mind we only know what has been disclosed

the question is, what is the reason for it?

15 years of research has not furnished me with any concrete answers, but it seems to me like we're heading in the general direction of Germany prior to the rise of Hitler when the country was in utter chaos

there's only one direction you can go when you're "on top" and i suspect things will get massively worse before they get better

we've long surpassed Orwells vision in many ways