dogen

I think he makes a good point that our rights and freedoms are more important than losing them for possible temporary security, but I think his closing argument is much more important: each of us should decide right now what loss of freedom is acceptable to us.

Regardless how you feel about the severity of the virus or the legitimacy of the lockdowns, decide today what is an acceptable loss of freedom to you personally. It's important because They keep moving the goal posts about what is needed to keep us secure. We keep accepting these loss of freedoms as the new normal and then they come and take some more. We accept them through social pressure, convenience, and sometimes even by logical truth. But at some point each of us has to decide what it means to be free, what it means to be a free person and a responsible adult. Make a conscious choice today where is your personal red line that shall not be crossed.

And after you decide, and next year they come and take that freedom from you too, you can at least know that you are spineless subject of the crown with no true moral center, because you aren't going to do anything about it then either.

Obrez

I think he's off base, he's a smart guy and I get the concern but I don't think this is the root of the issue by any means, I think he doesn't grasp the threat the virus poses, I think most people on voat cannot fathom how bad things could be right now and how much worse they could still get if we don't act carefully.

I'll briefly remind everyone here of the numbers,in the US: 644,188 infected 28,579(4.436%) dead. In the world 2,071,710 infected, 137,029(6.614%) dead, people here still describe this as flu when the only reason anyone could call it flu is because they heard it called WuFlu, symptomatically it's unlike flu in most ways, malaria has about as much in common with flu as does SARS-CoV-2. But if you want to compare it to flu we can do that. 2018-2019 US flu season had 35,520,883 infections(zero quarantine efforts, spread from the whole world to each airport as soon as the environment became hospitable it was already here and took root) 34,157(0.096%) died from flu that flu season. Meaning the pandemic. with some of the best treatment available in the world, after the most expensive lockdown and containment effort in human history, is still 46.2 times deadlier than flu. Anyone who is deluded into thinking they can compare this virus to flu is caught up in a mental trap they have laid for themselves by prejudging what this thing was before they even knew. People will lie and say america is doing terribly, but in reality we are doing better than much of europe because we began to take this seriously early on and scrambled to get resources for our hospitals, how is Italy doing? they said "it's just a flu" 13.106% fatality mostly caused by Lombardy where it multiplied rapidly and unchecked beyond what their healthcare system could handle, a third of all people recorded as infected in Lombardy a dead, the hotter the "hotspot" the higher the deaths proportionally because the medical infrastructure can't handle the resources and personnel cost, spain tells a similar story and these are first world white nations, france is due for as big a hit, The US holds 1/4th of known cases but that 1/4th is fewer than half a percent of our population and most of the rest of the world has no clue what their infection rates are, people are just fucking dying without going to a hospital. So when I say he's off base He's comparing two things which aren't in the same category, this virus is so infectious we can't hold people as responsible for co-infection morbidity but we should consider people who are refusing to cooperate with the rest of society in such a dire time as a threat and if it takes laws to get these people to comply with a quarantine, to comply with social distancing then that is what it takes, it is a fair argument that people actively ignoring reasonable lockdown orders and containment protocols are a danger to themselves and others, the biggest problem is that detatched demagogues nor ignorant(to epidemiology) masses can accurately access "reasonable" .

This new form of so called "murder" a sort of negligent manslaughter by proxy, firstly in rhetorical practice, and not legal practice, is a solid device by which to encourage people to morally assess their compliance with containment efforts, we need the public to remain organized for these containment efforts to be effective, I sympathize with people being frustrated about all of this but this isn't the new normal, the idea that it is is the root of the evil, the notion that we could accept perpetual quarantine as a de facto coup on our constitution and way of life is the root of the problem and the best way to defeat it is a public guarantee that we will rebel under specific circumstances: If the emergency powers and any state impositions on citizens put in place to combat this virus and maintain order are still in place by 06/2023, we will rebel, if anyone is micro-chipped, tattooed or marked in anyway to affirm their vaccination status, we will rebel, If churches are prevented from reasonable gatherings or persecuted for reasonable gatherings that obey strict social distancing rules, we will rebel, if the government takes actions to prevent citizens from arming themselves, we will rebel.

Normally such a thing is achieved by mass protest a protest which resembles a snake rattling it's tail as a warning, I suggest instead of gathering together during this time we use graffiti to frighten the state into complying with our demands, It is a national response to retain our rights, I think the simple conditions I've listed are about all that needs to be said, we just need a simple symbol people can spray on a wall with a spray can something uncolored by previous american politics something people can post online in text chat via a combination of emojis as strange as that might sound is probably a good idea.

CarpenterforChrist

Yeah, because graffiti isn't a crime./s Your logical conclusions border on insanity. Why didn't you state your "line in the sand"? Possibly because you are a communist in disguise.

Obrez

And I bet you think the virus is a hoax.

You need to delude yourself like you are doing now to cope with your fears.

You also clearly only skimmed the post because I drew multiple lines in the sand.

You can't keep hiding your willing ignorance and uncomfortably with discourse by calling people you have a knee jerk disagreement with "communist" just because you don't want to face the reality that we need ordered singular leadership during a pandemic of this scale.

It's in for a penny in for a pound with this type of containment response, either we all participate or everyone's work and money and time is wasted.

So stop being a lazy faggot and refute a point I made rather than relying on simplistic dismissals you use to bury your own head in the sand and hide from challenging discourse.

CarpenterforChrist

Our freedoms don't begin on a certain date that you choose. They were established at the founding of this country. If you believe otherwise, you are not an American. Your fears are not warranted and have no place dragging everyone else's freedoms along with it.

Obrez

I do believe otherwise; Our freedoms have nothing to with this country, our freedoms were God Given, this country merely recognizes them, and I'm telling you that your freedom to go watch niggerball and suck dicks at the truck stop during a pandemic isn't something I give a fuck about. now maybe your containment measures in your state are a bit over the line but in my state we have low cases low deaths, and a reasonable and meager series of lockdown restraints, yeah some people are out of there jobs, it sucks. but I don't give a fuck about stadiums for niggerball, theaters for kike propaganda, or airports for globalization.

We're in this together for now, you can suck more dick when it's over. Freedom not to wear a mask? freedom to go to church even though our God didn't make church mandatory, even the pope know that and he's a fucking heathen; what right has been taken from you?

Free assembly? You've needed a permit you pay for, your whole life you never had free assembly

What FUCKING FREEDOM DID THEY TAKE FROM YOU?

What rights did you have left before this even started? That's a better question.

Quasiman

I didn't think much of his "viral video" .. at 0:46 Corbett started on about "three buildings" which is bs.

The "Three Buildings" line is one of the mainstay falsehoods of the entire 911 conspiracy..

There were in fact seven major structures at the WTC complex in NY all of which were totally destroyed Sept. 11, 2001, the infrared shot shows the absolute destruction that occurred.

Note all but the North Wing of WTC 4 has disappeared completely, the two planes that struck the towers did not possess enough kinetic energy to cause this level of destruction.

Paul Laffoley a New York artist and former protege of Andy Warhol who worked for architectural firm Emory Roth during the WTC design phase, says explosives were built into the towers.

Nanothermite residues from demolition charges built into the the towers during construction have been identified in the dust from the fallout, the thermate charges were used to sever the steel beams that formed the skeleton of the towers , and were in no way responsible for the tremendous damage to WTC's 3, 4, 5, & 6.

As well conventional explosives similarly built in during construction that were used to bring Bldg 7 down, thermonuclear demolition charges had been placed inside the Towers which were detonated on the day bringing them down.

Those same thermonuclear charges embedded within the debris from the collapsing towers as well as vaporizing the concrete and steel that made up the structure of those buildings..

Were still able to wipe out the top nineteen floors of WTC 3 , all but the north wing of WTC 4 , and to leave the gaping holes in WTC 5 & WTC 6 when it came into contact with them. Nukes at the WTC on 911 .

At 4:44 Corbett starts on blaming the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, the White House, NIST and the 9/11 Commission .. he utters not one syllable about the volumes of evidence that show Jews planned and executed the attacks, sure those "alphabet" agencies and the WH were part of the action however they were headed by Jews and white Zionists in any case.

Volumes of evidence prove the attacks were the work of Jews and traitor Americans, not Osama bin Laden and nineteen crazy Arabs.

derram

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=lmHRYzF0dyQ :

What NO ONE is Saying About The Corona Crisis - YouTube


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Here is James Corbett's viral 9/11 video:

And here is the current manifesto - transcribed for your convenient review and sharing:

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hello james corbett of corbettreport.com

reporting to you from the socially closed streets of western japan

in Walden henry david thoreau famously observed that there are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one striking at its root

and there can be no doubt that there are many thousands that are hacking away at the branches of the evil that we see spreading out before us in the name of this pandemic panic -- diligently deconstructing the dissembling discourse of the disease doomsayers and rightfully so i count myself amongst them

however if all we are doing is smacking down the lies that are being spread about this pandemic as soon as they arise then we run the risk of missing that root of the evil altogether so allow me if you will to take one hefty swipe at that root with my battle axe of truth by clearly stating and rejecting the new governing principle for society that we are being asked to accept on the basis of this pandemic pandemonium.

now this new governing principle for society of course is implicit I mean we're going to sign on to it by our silent consent not our explicit consent but nonetheless it rests on a hypothetical

a hypothetical chain of infection that can take place in the event of a spreading infectious agent

now keep in mind this has nothing to do with a novel coronavirus [COVID19] of - this is about a general principle but the principle holds that if there is a spreading infectious agent of some sort that is hypothetically infecting people around the globe and you might become infected by this agent

and you might end up passing it on to someone else

who might end up passing it on to someone else etc etc

and somewhere down that chain of infection someone who is immunocompromised might end up becoming infected

and they might be part of that of a fraction of a percentage point of the population

who might die from the disease

and if that were to take place well of course every single link in that chain of infection should be classified as a murderer

and in order to prevent such a mass murder from taking place governments around the world are not just empowered but actually obligated to implement a sort of de facto medical martial law by following the pronouncements of the duly unelected health authorities to do whatever they deem necessary to prevent such a hypothetical chain of infection from taking place -- up to and including:

quarantine people within the walls of their own homes

and or entering those walls to forcibly remove people from their own homes

and at the moment in most parts of the world do to lock down most of the transmission that's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household at family level in some senses transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner

we are being asked to accept this abrogation of our most precious freedoms including

• our freedom to travel

• our freedom of association assembly

• our freedom from arbitrary detention within the walls of our own home

• our freedom of privacy in transaction and interaction

• and other hard-fought freedoms that were purchased at the price of our forefathers blood

on the basis of a novel coronavirus that is presenting presenting a novel existential threat to humanity that has never before existed

BUT THAT OF COURSE IS A LIE

because every single flu season for your entire life there have been such hypothetical chains of infection that have taken place

and I have no doubt let's put it on the table I have no doubt that there is someone listening to my words right now who has been involved in some chain of infection that has ended up in some immunocompromised person dying

never before has that person had to think of themselves as a murderer

let alone lock themselves within the confines of their own home to prevent such a murder from ever taking place again

but that is what we are being asked to accept right now and I want this out on the table

BECAUSE IF WE DO NOT CLEARLY ARTICULATE THIS PRINCIPLE -- that we're being asked to accept then by our silence we will can consent to it we will tacitly implicitly consent to what is taking place right now

AND I WANT TO CLEARLY STATE IT

AND CLEARLY REJECT IT

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source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmHRYzF0dyQ


Also, please allow me to add some additional inspired words from Amazing Polly's recent post:

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bottom line

systems aren't bad

it's the people inside the systems that are bad

and when I said earlier we're gonna have to do some things that are not good

one of the things we're gonna have to get really good at that seems on the surface to be a bad thing is extricated liars and huxter's out of our midst

we have to do it we have to stop giving people so much benefit of the doubt

a little benefit of that sure

we need our we need to use discernment

we need to remember what it's like to discriminate

we need to be able to tell who is operating from integrity

and who isn't

people don't have to be perfect

that's not what I'm saying

but look we overlooked way too much and it's it's the good people's job to sort of point out and push away those who would sell out those who would give up their values for fame or ego or money or any of it

we have to

that's our job

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhierE7LZhU#t=38m15s

Cheers and be kind to each other.