OrangeKraken

I get where you're coming from in the line of thinking that cameras keep people honest. Crime being committed often in a dark parking lot with low light and no camera? Putting up a camera will lower the crime rate significantly just by existing.

The question is, WHY are these people committing crimes? Why do we live in a first world country in 2015, with the knowledge that we have yet we still have this plague of poverty and depression. Follow the money.

thuglas

Their official position is to invalidate the 4th amendment.

Think about that.

What are we doing about this???

sneakybells

Yeah but that's a little bit different than let's say... the manhattan project.

sneakybells

Same thing happened with RICO. Originally, the extraordinary powers it granted were only meant to take out the mafia, eventually we just started using it for everything else. Same thing exact thing happened with the Patriot Act, go look up how many small time drug dealers we've used it on.

sneakybells

that's dumb

EllenPaosEgo

Care to explain why instead of a low effort insult? I'm sure we would love to hear if you have an explanation as to why it is dumb.

sneakybells

It was a low effort comment, it deserved a low effort response but since you're here I'll play along.

Simply put, I don't like write off opposing viewpoints by simply saying they're "brainwashed." I can be very paranoid, I know that about myself, that's why I like to keep the door cracked in case I want to go back outside, meanwhile you've locked the door and threw away the key. In other words, I don't like to commit completely to one narrative. You've essentially robbed them of their agency, I don't agree with that. I think that keeps you from being able to empathize and see opposing viewpoints.

EllenPaosEgo

You are getting me confused with jop, I wasn't the one who said the brainwashed thing. Thank you for the response anyway though. I agree with the writing off viewpoints thing which is why I commented in the first place. Part of me thinks he may have been joking. Either way, just dismissing someones comment with "thats dumb" doesn't contribute and is ironically doing the same thing you said you didn't like.

sneakybells

Like I said, a low effort comment deserves a low effort response. Why would I put more effort into a conversation than it's worth?

Finally, I'm not writing him off the same way he did with the "brainwashed." There's a big difference between saying someone is dumb versus them being incapable of free thought.

Zodi

"We should be able to blackmail anyone we want."

sec

Don't they have enough blackmail from the video footage they have of people fucking children?

These are some terrible times we live in.

Zodi

They need blackmail on everyone, and that blackmail can be anything.

BloodPool

Well, they in turn, should have no secrets from their citizens. Fair is fair.

thuglas

I am of the opinion that everyone in the federal government with surveillance authority must be subject to 24 hour permanent unstoppable surveillance for us all to see as well.

BloodPool

I think that may just get them to see our viewpoint.

sneakybells

well... you do need state secrets sometimes.

HST

That's some dangerous thinking there, citizen. You know Big Brother would never do anything to harm you. Here, follow me to the Ministry of Love and we'll have a nice small chat.

EllenPaosEgo

I hear a lot of screaming from room 101, that must be where the orgies take place.

colonels1020

The sad part is, people are just lazy and have the "well if I've got nothing to hide, the who cares" mindset. :\

Megaptera

I usually burst out "that's not how freedom works!"

I have never understood why people are just okay with that type of shit. It's scary.

escapefromredditbay

people should be getting mad, and worried, that this shit is becoming common.