RonaldRayGuns

U mad hominem?

RonaldRayGuns

U mad hominem?

RonaldRayGuns

Pedantic argument retreats when confronted with logic that his bullshit suburban "realism" can't measure up against.

Freakazoid

Probably referring to the "injuns".

RonaldRayGuns

Here's an on topic comment: "I find it interesting how badly you want to argue on the Internet, Internet man. Your actions are consistent with someone who feels empty inside due to their awareness at lack of achievement and is attempting to substitute achievement by forcing people into debates on your terms on the Internet"

Please let this be the end of you, clumsy powerless Internet man.

CredAndBercuses

If you hadn't nitpicked on his offhand remark (that didn't necissarily have to make sense, nor be in the original context), there wouldn't be this entire thread worth of bullshit from either of you. Try and stay focused.

Racer_the_observer

I never said he was wrong about protecting ourselves from police. I was correcting the statement about buckshot. From across the street buckshot will go right through your sorry ass. And a 30 caliber ball has more energy and in buckshot loads they are moving at maximum velocity. Not anywhere near firing a bunch of 22 shorts, which are loaded at minimum velocity. If your going to make claims about guns/ammunition I suggest reading up on the subject.

Racer_the_observer

Like firing off 22 shorts? Mister, thats a load of bullshit. I would like to see you stand across the street while I fire one round of buckshot. If there is anything left of you it wont be breathing. Its called buckshot because it is used to hunt deer. And they are 30 caliber balls, not 22 shorts. Your last sentence is true, what you say is fiction. Ignorant people who get their information from movies and such think a sawed off shotgun scatters pellets far and wide, but anyone who has ever fired one knows that at 25 yards(across the street) the pellets only spread out about 4 to 6 inches.

RonaldRayGuns

Don't indulge this john Henry guy. He just wants to argue. He has never fired a weapon in his life.

He will the day he wraps his lips around the barrel and does the world a favor by eliminating his annoyingly useless existence.

Don't miss.

DthaV

This is an old interview, but it is still relevant today.

sodalis

I think those folks would be useless anyway.

RonaldRayGuns

Rip Ernie C

RonaldRayGuns

This one of the comments I've read in a while

SaneGoatiSwear

YAY my first downvoat! i can't wait for all the rest of the add infinity symbol here downvoats i'll get

i thought voat was for DISCUSSION. you don't like what notacrazygoat has said, RETORT. posit! pontificate! but by saying nothing and downvoating you have confirmed your status as a fool and a silent one at that.

you disappoint your specie.

RonaldRayGuns

Character of the speaker? I don't think you know which Internet man you are arguing with, Internet man.

I'm not making accusations on anyone's character but yours, would-be voat thread security guard/ Internet man.

Your character, Internet man, is bland, flavorless, overlooked, under seasoned and generally boring.

I consider it charity to provide witty rapport on to your ho-hum, painfully politically correct, righteously indignant and generally not worth viewing comment history.

Internet man: you are welcome.

RonaldRayGuns

What a strange and hostile little Internet man.

RonaldRayGuns

There's nothing to debate. The facts are in: you're no fun, Internet man.

RonaldRayGuns

You really put the "anal" in "joy-killing pedantic technical analysis"

sodalis

As an adamant 2nd Amendment defender I think the language is quite clear. It has nothing to do with the police or self-defense. It's about ensuring that our civilian population, that will comprise the "militia" of a citizen army, should have access to firearms ensuring the best possible riflemen to defend the nation.

I don't want an infantry with one week of weapons training. I want people that have been shooting their whole lives. The individual rifleman is a mighty, mighty weapon. And I want America to have the best riflemen in the world.

sodalis

We dismissed the militia system after we got our asses handed to us by Canada in the War of 1812. We went to a professional standing army. But that army is still comprised of citizens, not foreign mercenaries, so I defend our right to own and use guns, nurturing and developing that skill set amongst those that might enlist.

Dysnomia

Technically, the efficiency of the tool depends on it's intended use.

A sawed off shotgun probably won't kill anyone in a drive by but it'll still do a lot of damage.

In war, injuries are often more burdensome to the enemy than fatalities. Though they call it gang-warfare, I doubt they have gang-medics, and I bet that the public hospitals recieve much of the burden of the injured.

So... Technically, a sawed off shotgun could do more damage in a drive by than a 7.62mm SAW, under conditions of warfare.

For urban violence under a functioning state though, John Henry has got a point. A sawed-off shotgun probably won't kill anybody in a driveby.

Sikozen

This sexy beast just got +10 in my Sexy Beast Book.

RonaldRayGuns

That all sailed waaaaay over your head.

Artist: body count Track: copkiller Album: there goes the neighborhood

christ93

I have that CD. The one with the Cop killer track. I wonder if its worth anything?

Tommstein

That's why the argument that "you don't need that for hunting" is full of shit. The Second Amendment is expressly about killing people should the need arise, not about fucking hunting.

fitlord

Well, not just the police. Enemies both foreign and domestic. But that could include police, true.

123_456

Celebrities know everything!

barset

Where to begin... Fuck the police? Or full Conrad bringing it back to Ice's flick surviving the game?

BobbyBlack

That was beautiful. What poem was that from?

Survivorofthemeta

If by hunting related things you mean a huge military that is trained to shoot on sight and doesn't care (obviously from any other mission they have done ) If they kill women, children, animals, wildlife, or any other living or useful thing we have on this planet. Sure! hunting related things.

BobbyBlack

Ex military here. We are/were not trained to shoot civilians. Ever. That is new with this Iraq shit. We are trained to protect America and Americans above all things. Cops.different story. They are trained to kill Americans, and only Americans. Women, children, old, and young. They train monsters. Trust me. If it comes to it, there are hundreds of thousands of ex. Military who will be there to fill the ranks against the wannabe soldiers working for a corporate complex specializing in suppression of American citizens and squeezing them for money using the threat of imprisonment and death. They will lose.

Survivorofthemeta

I am not saying that military are trained at this very moment to kill americans. What i am saying is if there was martial law or the government made a claim that in that martial law no one could leave or if we rebelled against the government. Plus well many more cases. I am saying that the government would find and train people who would kill americans. You might not do it but, there are a lot of people who would. Gangs do it all the time and they take orders from their higher ups. Government could train mercs in the way of the military. There are people who for money would come and kick in the doors of their own people who would at that point and time be considered military to kill .

BobbyBlack

I was throwing my two coppers in, and didn't mean to infer that I disagreed with you. Sorry.

Rellik88

I cant wait till plasma/laser based guns come out. They will also be protected with the 2nd.

CommonSense

Why is this in /v/conspiracy ? There isn't a shred of conspiracy in this. The 2nd amendment is absolutely about keeping government power in check. It never had anything to do with hunting.

Sorahzahd

Ask random people why they think it exists and you'd probably be surprised to hear literally every reason except for the actual one.

JohnQCitizen

Berny Sanders thinks otherwise.

floormatt3

If anything, posting it in /v/conspiracy will make people skeptical of the opinion..

dv1155

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't see anything about wildlife or sportsmanship there.

CrowTRobot

So, bow hunting should be legal, but not hunting with a gun?

Chain downvoating a question. Ok.

Dirty_Asshole

So retard.

dante2025

Technically, only going by the 2A, its perfectly legal for the Government to ban hunting altogether.

Rellik88

You are armed with a bow when you wield a bow. Arms includes all weapons.

CrowTRobot

But in the context of the debate, it's generally considered to be firearms. Even in within the context of the video, it's talking about firearms.

drakesdoom

That is only because firearms are the arms of the day. You don't see marines in the middle east with bows and longsword.

CommonSense

Most irrelevant statement of the day!

thingsarefun

Without the 2nd amendment the 1st is worthless.

The founders knew what they were doing.

404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND

To protect yourself from being hunted.

RonaldRayGuns

I got my shotgun sawed off

I got my headlights turned off

Bout to bust some shots off

Gonna speak eloquently about constitutional guarantees to personal freedom.

Yeah Ice-T

Sikozen

Brilliant.