With cashless society we are all done ( conspiracy )

submitted by Conspirologist

With cashless society, normal people will be enslaved completely. The point is that credit cards belong to corporations. They will just ban your credit card and tell you to make your own credit card corporation. This is happening already with the social networks and online payment services.

wrathfulmomes

Double Hegelian dialectic Problem - Solution - Solution to the solution.

Don't worry, the fix for just your exact problem was released anonymously, with no backing, and has somehow been kept not just alive AND viable but thriving unimaginably.

And its "Blockchain" is actually a 100% PUBLIC "pseudonymous" ledger of ALL transactions ever, which they conveniently have the power and AI complexity to unravel, reassociating all transactions in a chain, mixer, or to a given identity.

So convenient. Remember Zion from The Matrix? It was merely a trap for those who wouldn't conform. Let them collect themselves and be indolent in their "accomplishment".

SirNiggsalot

Control Control Control , it always about Control

AlexProkhorenkoLives

Happens in cities in China with CCTV linked to facial recognition software. Jay walk and you will get fined, the fine is appears on your credit card in a matter of minutes. Disobey the rules and your bank account is closed and you are a non person unable to work or have access to money. You are as good as dead.

JesusRules

Internet of all things

Hmmmm_m

RIP us

pop1453

we're pretty much already in a cashless society,

they can already cut you off by shutting down your bank or PayPal, happened to me once

banks already see everything

I've used Bitcoin for years, more people need to get into Bitcoin

fuck the banks

reason247

Correct. Will you buy my hogs for silver?

WhyNoDonuts

-not yet, but that’s the plan. we would also have to be in the same area code, and the pork i get right now eat so well their fat is just amazing, so I’m not looking to switch.

781842_Anon

It is unconstitutional.

AdaptOrDie

Meh, cash businesses will open up.

Bravo1XRay

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Conspirologist

Thanks for sharing the info.

Bravo1XRay

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fukyboi

Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants – but debt is the money of slaves...

...and non-fungible computer-based debt is the money of fucking idiots.

Optional_Reading

The itemized receipt was the start. It actually all started in the 1980s the moment they handed you a receipt that listed all of Your groceries. That was the moment they started tracking you.

If you have extra cash you should Buy Fee Simple Real Estate. Buy guns AND ammo. Build up cash/coin/metals reserves.

prairie

Buy guns AND ammo. Build up cash/coin/metals reserves.

Terrible supply issues these days on those.

ManchesterT

Cash was already doomed due to advanced counterfeiting techniques.

Another anonymous medium of trade will emerge, because demand for one is way too high to go unfulfilled. Probably a cryptocurrency, but could be something unexpected like silver coins

prairie

Cash was already doomed due to advanced counterfeiting techniques.

The ultimate counterfeiter, The Fed, is why cash is doomed.

Lurker618

I could easily imagine a near future with a social credit system, but I can also see a massive black market that will probably be traded with crypto. Imagine Silk Road but with food items, plane tickets, fake i.d.s

It will make Dredd Pirate Robert look like the captain of a dinghy

Dontpanic

Do you guys really not have any bitcoin?

Hooofer

Crypto currencies will become more popular I think?

itsALWAYStheBANKERS

Barter economies and local currency will spring up

pushthis

im gonna disagree:

in a "Cashless" society people will barter with pot, metals, coffee, cigarettes, babysitting shares, labor, sex, material goods, rides, canned meat, compact florescent bulbs, wood, gas, access to locations

you are fairly right though

Xax

True

TripleZ

People will start to barter. They might regret pushing us to a cashless society. Crypto's, especially private transaction crypto like Monero will surge.

0rion

Bingo. If people stop participating, the system crashes and they lose all grip on their power.

DefenderOfTruth

The problem is that people by and large are very compliant. We could have already crashed their system, but we haven’t. I’ve seen overwhelming individual compliance confirmed with this ongoing wahoo flu scam. So many of my acquaintances are just going along with the masks and other media managed madness.

ARsandOutdoors

Immediate tax on transaction.

VAT’s to the max

WhyNoDonuts

I would love to fight this but it is seeming like an inevitability. If you have the means, it’s time to leave the big cities. Sell your houses for what I consider to be an insanely high price (given today’s market) and buy a plot of land with a well for the same money. Once everyone gets on this boat the city houses will be cheap and farm houses expensive. You get bonus points if your country house is over 250 miles from the city.

The death of cash brings a social credit system (linked to corporate control like conspirologist says), and the alternative is a regression to bartering - which will be made illegal. If you live in the country this is possible. A split cord of wood is worth three honey wagon visits. Frozen raspberries trade for fresh honey at about 3:1 pound for pound. Bakers are setting up and now deliver once a week, and they accept Wild game and berries. The weird thing is that we have other “job” jobs, but wondering when they will end...gotta buy flour somehow and that doesn’t grow in the mountains. Fortunately, gold does. The only hurdle for newcomers is overcoming that label - the sooner you move, the newer you aren’t. Alaska is great, by the way.

Ddboomer

I have been considering Alaska. Lots of wilderness and bears :-)

WhyNoDonuts

And bugs and snow. If you like fishing, hunting, dirt bikes, quads, and mountain bikes, canoes, and guns - it helps. Sometimes bears are walking through town, but usually you have to head into the bush looking for them. I just spent half a day on the lake and caught nothing, mind you. Still had fun.this wouldn’t be the ideal place for lots of people to love off the land, unless you’re on the coast.

I know some people who just like to camp and hike in the wilderness, and live in town. I gotta say, flushing toilets that don’t need pumping out are kinda nice.

Ddboomer

I love the outdoors.

prairie

regression to bartering - which will be made illegal. If you live in the country this is possible. A split cord of wood is worth three honey wagon visits. Frozen raspberries trade for fresh honey at about 3:1 pound for pound. Bakers are setting up and now deliver once a week, and they accept Wild game and berries.

If only we had some kind of thing we could trade as an intermediary...

WhyNoDonuts

For the sake of argument, “cashless society” is what we’re pondering - so the usual intermediary, or rather, it’s digital alternative with no circulated bank notes, are not available. Coyly referring to “an intermediary” negates the entire premise, which is detailed in the title.

prairie

I meant gold and silver. We don't need government funny money to do transactions.

WhyNoDonuts

I agree with metals having real value, but like many “non-currency” fans I’m still not sold on digital coins. I think they are ultimately traceable, or the ones that aren’t eventually banned will be. Having value in your hands is the only way.

prairie

Agreed on digital. Even if the crypto itself isn't trackable, the app/device you use will be compromised.

WhyNoDonuts

-and the blockchain itself, depending on how the tags are managed and folded into the next transaction. We thought that the blockchain was secure, but then a series of trades Nov 2016 showed us differently. They will control the exchanges, so even a decently designed coin will be compromised once cashed in.

prairie

Exchanges are big IOU factories. People wanting to play the market give lots of control to exchanges. Hold your own keys or you don't own it

WhyNoDonuts

I grit my teeth a bit when I have to pay some extra charge or another for coins, but it’s worth it.

Soyboy69

that still doesn't solve the issue of not being able to pay taxes though, after you're shut out from banking how are you doing to receive the legal tender that the government demands of you?

WhyNoDonuts

Good point. Taxes are low enough (a few thousand or less for smaller plots) but that could change....then what? I can only come up with RV and houseboat living.

Ddboomer

Your off the grid Soy Boy...you don’t pay taxes because you’re NOT USING YOUR SS #. If you do not use your SS # you’re aNot volunteering to pay taxes. Look it up

itsALWAYStheBANKERS

Live in an area with like minded people. Create your own barter economy and scrip to support it. We dont need bankers.

Varlet

Start minting your own currency from silver or odd metals with a certain base value(like bushels of wheat for example)

Ddboomer

Bartering will be the best trade. Go beyond this piece of rock trade stuff

waucka

Yep. We are going to need to set up an entire parallel economy at some point, so we had better start thinking about mechanisms and tactics right now. With lots of people out of work, it might be possible to jump-start a local currency by partnering with farmers. Unemployed people do work, get paid in the new currency, and use the new currency to buy food. Now the farmers can use the currency to buy whatever labor they need from the workers. The pay rate of the workers sets the value of the currency, at least at first. Once you have this kind of back-and-forth going, other people and businesses will be more willing to get involved. The biggest challenge will, of course, be counterfeiting. If you start to have real success and the ruling class can't shut you down through the law, they'll try to devalue your currency. I don't have a good answer to that.

glennvtx

cryptocurrency

Ddboomer

You won’t have internet if your off the grid ...

glennvtx

Nobody is that much off the grid nowdays, and the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Imagine a currency that cannot be debased, controlled by government or any organization, that can be used over the internet and in person, and can tokenize things like gold, silver. For those off grid, pay in the silver. For smart folk, keep your silver on deposit somewhere and use the tokenized version.

Ddboomer

Anything on the internet can be hacked and controlled.

glennvtx

Its not true, these systems can be proven mathematically, it is a great power we can use to free us forever of the hiearchy, if only people would come down from tge fucking trees and see it.

Ddboomer

If the sheeeat hits the fan...your crypto will mean ZERO

glennvtx

IF the shit hits the fan, all of these things will be worth zero.

Ddboomer

Exactly! Food, shelter, water and some cloths.

glennvtx

Bullets, medicine, alcohol ( both cleaning and drinking ) water, food are the best trading materials.

Ddboomer

Exactly.

pshawman

Bitcoin SV. 1/10th of a cent for an instant transaction everytime, can go much lower. And not taken control of by big banking.

albeit

One possibility I've thought of is silver dollar communities. Morgans, eagles, peace -whatever silver dollars you want. Even quarters and dimes (got to be careful to only accept ones minted up to 1964). Everyone only accepts silver dollars as payment for goods/services. The market value is around $30 (and up) right now but let's say $30.

One benefit is sales and income taxes. Say, for example, you want to buy a refrigerator that would cost around $1,200 (in federal reserve notes). If you went to a store that only accepted silver dollars as payment, you could buy that refrigerator for 40 silver$ instead. If your state charges 7% sales tax, that's an extra 2.80 silver$ on top of the purchase price (instead of $84 in federal reserve notes). So on your receipt and on the shopkeeper's books, you paid a total of $42.80 for your refrigerator.

Legal tender laws are for payment of debts. Purchasing goods from a store is not a debt, so I see no reason why stores couldn't refuse payment in federal reserve notes. However, taxes could still be paid in fiat. So that 2.80 silver$ in taxes the shopkeeper collected for your refrigerator payment could be paid to the state in federal reserve notes.

Similarly, another example: 0.50 silver$/hr would be a decent wage for unskilled labor. But due to minimum wage laws, hired employees in the traditional sense wouldn't be feasible to pay with silver dollar payments. But a workforce of self-employed contractors could be possibly be raised. 20 silver$/week per contractor is what unskilled labor would cost. The contractor would owe $4 in taxes (payable in federal reserve notes).

The big drawback I can think of is that it isn't too scalable (assuming the US mint doesn't increase their production). Also there are no more silver dimes and quarters being minted. Only the US government can create these. The silver dollar economy would not work the same legally if silver rounds were used (silver that doesn't have an official face value). That would be considered barter by taxing authorities, so "market value of the property" (silver) would need to be considered, and capital gains taxes calculated and paid out (a complicated pain in the ass).

Thoughts?

waucka

Delightfully subversive, but watch out for the enemy suddenly bringing a bunch of old silver coins out of storage and flooding your local market with them or just straight-up counterfeiting them.

Bahramu

The covid psyop is a masquerade for putting the new system in place. While I agree that getting out of cities is a smart move, the idea that they're just going to let those who choose to opt out continue to live peaceful, self sufficient lives seems unlikely. Agenda 2030 calls for herding everyone into "smart" cities for reasons of "climate change" and "sustainability." The infrastructure for total technological control is being built now. Big cities in China are the model they wish to see implemented worldwide.

AssumingControl

So good thing I am learning Russian right now... or so it seems.

grendelbiter

You think Russia is woke? Think again. They are just as deep into the Covid conspiracy as everyone else maybe even a bit more. Every public transport and place has card readers that you can only enter with a covid pass for example.

Ralemlol

As a libertarian I think it’s completely fine for tyranny by megacorp because it isn’t the state! Create your own bank, megacorps and society you lazy fuck! Bootstraps!

This is literally how libertarians think.

xenochrist15

It’s the same stupid fucking mindset as Fox News neoconservatives believing the number one enemy of the world is “liberals.” Yes, liberals are bad, but the scope of the game is so much bigger. “...but my free market!” “Let the free market decide!” There is no free market in the corportocracy of America. Government and mega corps are in the same bed and are ready to fuck you in the ass as hard as possible to ensure that you abide as a good consumer.

Ralemlol

I’m aware. Half of voat still preaches the free market and libertarianism. They get asshurt and refer back to theory whenever you bring up some sort of situation where their ideology turns to shit. Literally just the opposite side of the same coin of communists. They expect humans to be rational actors. Another thing that makes them angry is when you point out that get woke go broke doesn’t work. I’ve yet to see one person show me a megacorp that isn’t doing better than ever before. Their enemy is neoliberal global capital but they’ve been tricked into thinking it’s the useful idiot footsoldiers and that megacorps are secretly wishing for communism. Yeah, maybe in 200 years where there are no more white people and global communism. Right now your enemy is megacorps and only the power of a strong state can stop them. I honestly don’t know what the fuck is wrong with lolberts, they just hold on to their belief that it’s still 1776 and we rules haven’t changed a bit. We have technocracies, global oligarchs. Those that rule us don’t even have to be within 5000 miles of you like they did back then. Conservatives are even more retarded than communists. At least communists think capitalism has some faults whatsoever, libertarians think it’s god and that if just the pesky government would get out of the way everything would be perfect.

glennvtx

The state is the primary enemy, a strong state will only accelerate the dystopian future.

tankingwrong

Are you able to trade your services for cryptocurrency?

Then you're not done yet.

wrathfulmomes

Crypto IS their new currency!

NSA created under a pseudonym, somehow is not just alive but thriving, and do you know what the blockchain is?

An obfuscated PUBLIC ledger of all transactions, ever. And guess who has the AI and computing power to unravel it and re-associate any data they want to?

They have EVERYTHING because these transactions run on THEIR networks! The entire internet, even the "dark net" or "deep web" runs on top of their internet backbones and servers!

Ddboomer

No, you don’t get it at all!! Crypto involves a computer and electricity. They can track you.

knightwarrior41

Are you able to trade your services for cryptocurrency?

what if they ban or outlaw the use of crypto?

ilovejuices3

How?

knightwarrior41

just make it illegal (pass a law) and scan the internet with bots for those that use it i guess, i dunno

but if they created the internet they can also find ways to surveillance it or shut it down.

Dontpanic

You don't know what crypto is if you think it can be outlawed. It already is outlawed in many different places and that's where it's the most used.

Panic-Now1

Name checks out.

prairie

You don't know what crypto is if you think it can be outlawed.

So build your own Internet? They'll just block it at the ISP level.

Dontpanic

You can send crypto by smoke signal if you wanted to. There are short wave radio setups that have been created for remote locations that don't have internet access. You don't need the internet.

prairie

I hadn't through of short wave. I wonder whether it has enough bandwidth.

ShineShooter

Btc blockchain is ~250GB and others are in the 100-50 range. That's built up over ten years...it doesn't use much data at all.

knightwarrior41

You don't know what crypto is

i have a vague idea that is true

It already is outlawed in many different places and that's where it's the most used.

interesting, regardless, i dont think its going to play out the way some people think

Dontpanic

It's already not working out like people thought it would. Satoshi the guy who created Bitcoin thought people would use it to make transactions. That just didn't happen. Instead people use it as a store of value. So basically it's gold without the downsides.

prairie

So basically it's gold without the downsides.

LOL. It's gold without the gold.

knightwarrior41

here we go,i wasnt aware of this,if this thing somehow collapses lots of people are going to lose their investments on it.again, i'm not well versed in crypto currency so i could be wrong

Dontpanic

Crypto isn't new. Bitcoin was created more than a decade ago. You can't stop math.

Samsquamch

Yeah it's a little naive to think crypto can't be banned. It's much harder to manipulate, that's true, but it relies on infrastructure to work. It's also not backed by anything physical and thus it's value rises and falls just like regular cash and credit.

Dontpanic

So what physical thing is the US Dollar backed by?

prairie

It pays the IRS off.

Samsquamch

It's also not backed by anything physical and thus it's value rises and falls just like regular CASH and credit.

It helps if you read the entire comment before responding.

Dontpanic

But that it rises and falls in value is a feature not a bug. Unless you're a communist you should understand that the value of a currency has to be able to adjust. The problem with the dollar is not that it goes up and down. The problem is that it can be manipulated to go up and down by a single entity. Crypto currencies can be created to inflate and to deflate or both. The difference is that this can't be manipulated by a lone entity like a central bank.

Samsquamch

Crypto manipulation was also addressed in my original comment:

It's much harder to manipulate, that's true

No point in saying anything else to you on this; you are overly defensive and you don't read / comprehend the replies you're getting anyways. Have a nice day.

Nuffin

Please explain

Dontpanic

The reason crypto currency was created is to replace cash(fiat currencies). Cash is good because you can hide it under your mattress and as long as you have it you can spend it. The bad part is that it's still being devalued while it's hiding under your mattress. Crypto Currency if done correctly is out of the control of the government. In places like Venezuela it's already banned but there people use it instead of the Bolivar because the Bolivar keeps falling in value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIQkuF_I5Xo

tankingwrong

Then organized crime outfits take over and create a system of appointments and books to organize people's labor for each other as a system of IOUs and product trade to which they make hefty profits of objects and forced labor because people will be afraid of being blacklisted from their system and it becomes a human rights crisis while simultaneously inflating the cashless dollar to a valueless state that finally the people will rise up and execute not just the politicians responsible for the cashless society and cryptocurrency bans, but they'll execute their families, their friends and anyone that ever mowed their lawn or cleaned their pool in exchange for being paid by credit card, too.

They won't ban cryptocurrency, ever, because "keep your enemies closer". The fear should always be that they accept it to regulate it . Which is why it's important to have cryptocurrency tech keep ahead of the curve and improve upon anonymous transactions.

knightwarrior41

no you are dreaming a fantasy.nobody is going to execute anyone because they will have total unfettered control over the population.please educate yourself on north korea,china,venezuela and cuba for the answers

keep in mind that peoples in these dictatorships have mostly resigned to their fate.because their will have been broken by the lack of freedoms and even nutrition

tankingwrong

please educate yourself on north korea,china,venezuela and cuba for the answers

Please educate yourself that the US has 120 guns per citizen, and increasing.

None of the four countries you listed ever began first as Constitutional Republics and instead segued into Communism through totalitarian control that never respected the rights of their citizens in the first place.

knightwarrior41

Please educate yourself that the US has 120 guns per citizen, and increasing.

let me ask you are they being used to defend themselves in portland or chicago?the obvious answer is A NO

also, how many people didnt gave up their guns during katrina in new orleans when the national guard went door to door? yes i rest my case.there's a reason why posse comittatus was rescinded by congress not too long ago