If our elections cannot be verified, then we're not morally bound to follow the laws. ( conspiracy )

submitted by cm18

Without our consent, the government is illegitimate. We are morally free. Taxes are illegitimate. New laws are illegitimated. Lockdowns are illegitimate. We are free to disobey. We don't have to fight for power, we have the power.

What happens when all the productive conservatives refuse to pay taxes? Can they really round us all up? What cop or solder is going to want to attempt to enforce gun laws or taxes on people who are peacefully disobeying an illegitimate government?

The population needs to eat. What happens when truckers simply don't pay their taxes or go on strike?

Government has no power if consent is removed.

CaptThorazine

The globalists have shitcanned the rule of law by subverting the legal system. We can't expect to stop them by remaining within the system that they've corrupted.

ardvarcus

If Trump doesn't get his second term, which he won easily, future elections are finished. They will all be rigged. I have a suspicion that they have all been rigged in the past for decades. That's why the Democrats, who get so little actual support from the people, are able to run things. The Trump rallies revealed just how little support the Democrats actually have.

RobertJHarsh

All GOP voters should contact the Georgia SOS and UNREGISTER to vote. At the minimum BOYCOTT the election. The Democrats will steal the election anyway, don't help them.

jimibulgin

Oh, I agree. The house slaves will still enforce the immoral laws, though. You may be justified, but you'll still be in a cage (with literal animal, most likely).

cm18

Morally, you're justified. In practice, it will be different.

There are three reasons to obey a law. One is if it is a contract (e.g. you agree to the terms to limit your rights, voting is a contract of sorts). Another is because it is a moral law (don't steal, or kill). But the final reason you obey a law is because of imposed consequences. If the first two reasons are removed and the last is violating your rights, then you're morally justified in whatever you want to do to rectify the injustice. It does not mean that you will not be caught, but rather that society has broken down, and all is "fair game".

QuestionEverything

When the soap box fails, when the ballot box is stolen.

Thats Joes signal to come for the guns.

cm18

Guns are backup voting machines.

ScreaminMime

True, but they'll be glad to send immoral thugs to kick in your door and drag you to their cages where you'll get to meet the truly immoral.

cm18

COPY PASTA:

Morally, you're justified. In practice, it will be different.

There are three reasons to obey a law. One is if it is a contract (e.g. you agree to the terms to limit your rights, voting is a contract of sorts). Another is because it is a moral law (don't steal, or kill). But the final reason you obey a law is because of imposed consequences. If the first two reasons are removed and the last is violating your rights, then you're morally justified in whatever you want to do to rectify the injustice. It does not mean that you will not be caught, but rather that society has broken down, and all is "fair game".

FreespeechOverReddit

Have... Have you all been following the law because of your morals?

ilovejuices3

Laws are only for slaves. The cabal do whatever they want, and use law enforcement against whomever they want.

Sanpa33

Nice sentiment,but all you Constitutionalists revealed your power when you marched in Virginia with your guns to protest. All that ended up happening was you niggers cleaning trash from the streets and applauding yourselves for doing such a wonderful job. Days later,they still passed the laws to take your guns away. Absolutely pathetic.

albatrosv15

Government has no power if consent is removed.

Pff. Government enforces the monopoly of violence. Thus, it always has the ultimate power.

Dr5trangegov

the social contract is long since broken. screw all these clowns and follow Gods rules.

reason247

I hereby declare myself sovereign including all my lands holdings properties and possessions which are made allodial per my will. I shal create a new nation complete with its own court system, etc.

111MrGuy111

Agree.

A democracy is based on the trust that it's real. Without that trust, what do you have?

Buff_Awesome

People are already beginning to ignore the demands of the state and the election is still going through the courts. If Trump doesn't win, things are only going to escalate.

jc99ta

Absolutely agree. There is no equal application of law.

We have no obligation to abide by laws which apply only to some but not others.

Fuck these commies

burnthesenaziservers

So you don't like who won an election so your response is to become Y'all-Qaeda?

RedBullTrooper

“Won the election”

Did you skip reading the OP???

cantaloupe6

The rule of law was thrown out the window the fraud is obvious.

Far more votes than voters.

1776 was taxation without representation.

burnthesenaziservers

This is like standing up on a table and yelling I declare bankruptcy. Just because you really really really want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

If its obvious, then prove it. Right now no fraud of any substance has been found.

cantaloupe6

It's not a matter of emotion (that's leftist thought) it just happens to be true, and easy to verify.

The NY times, and PA gov accidentally exposed their data online (many people took it) many of those people understand math, Bedfords law, Dr Shiva's model as well, and more.

The reason for malcontents isn't just obstinance, it's because the narrative is stupid. Shills may pretend invincible ignorance, it fools nobody.

Prove why Benford's law and Dr Shiva's analysis is wrong; otherwise comments are nonsense.

The consequence is about 90 million people realize rule of law no longer is relevant, if this fundamental corruption should stand.

The court can be corrupt too, the math however, is absolutely correct. The power is in the citizens.

Think of McVeigh only 128 IQ; now think of all those in the country who would notice an illegitimate government. It could be chaos. (Even though the formula of fertilizer was subsequently changed.)

itssomatic

An NPR totebag for a good goy.

burnthesenaziservers

They really are good totebags I hear. Though I'd hold out for the mug if I were you

PsychoticBreak

Free your mind. Morality is moral. Legality is obsolete.

Keneo77

I honestly believe if America goes full on ballistic on the NWO, the entire planet will follow.

cm18

The issue is potential civil war because of the contested election. If there's a civil war, it gives the UN pretext to send in troops (think China UN "peace keepers"). America hangs in the balance. China has been corrupting our institutions and media/social media is helping them. A civil war plays into their hand perfectly.

Keneo77

I understand it's an opportunity for them, but open boarders is an opportunity to flood the US with a military force disguised as migrants as well.

ARsandOutdoors

Truth

Sometimesineedhelp

Even if they were, there is no moral obligation to obey them lol

greydragon

Laws are separate from morality. A moral obligation is to follow good laws incidentally. A moral obligation is to not follow bad laws except out of fear at best.

Hadriansbattlecoin

Fucking Amen Cm 18!!

Men13

Good thing the election can and has been verified then.

So no problem, right?

cm18

Fraud and irregularites are all over the place. Calling it "verified" is a joke. Verified by who?

The election should not have been by mail in ballots that could not be easily verified. The whole thing is in question. That's the point. If people cannot feel that their vote counted, then what's the friken point?

Men13

Fraud and irregularites are all over the place. Calling it "verified" is a joke.

Nope. You're just being into the lies like the good puppet that you are.

You can know they are lies, because when actually under oath no one is willing to repeat them.

Verified by who?

A shit ton of of people just like your and me who do the actual counting. And the courts. And outside spectators.

It's virtually impossible to cheat without getting caught.

The election should not have been by mail in ballots that could not be easily verified.

Them good thing mail ballots can be and are verified!

You're just confusing your ignorance with reality

The whole thing is in question.

No, it really isn't.

That's the point. If people cannot feel that their vote counted, then what's the friken point?

You are right about that.

But notice that like SJWs, you put your "feelings" above reality.

Because it's so important that every person's vote be counted - that's why what Trump and later Mitch tried to do - throwing out actual real legal votes - is so dispicable.

IF you actually believed your words - you'd be furious at their explicit attempts to throw out legal votes.

But you don't really care. You only care about "winning" at any cost - even at the cost of democracy.

So fuck off

Maroonsaint

Who are you reasoning with. People died to get us this far and now we’re going down the wrong path and that won’t change unless a bunch of people die

ilovejuices3

jews

cm18

The objective is to avoid civil war but at the same time deny those who've cheated the fruits of power. The way I see it (if Trump cannot win in court), is that Trump tries to use military force to stay in office, but risk civil war. I'm suggesting that a general shutdown happen with half the population simply forcefully disobeying. Conservatives have the guns, but they don't have to be used to control, but rather to simply ignore the Biden administration and carry on as if it does not exist. Make the police and military come and enforce the regulations and taxation. Let those that support Biden see that the other half of the population does not intend to be dictatorial, but rather disobedient.

CaptThorazine

Thats a thought. Another is that we cut off all interstates leading to NYC with BLM-like "peaceful protests." It wont take long for them to remember where the food comes from.

ardvarcus

If Trump goes to the Supreme Court, and they reject him, he's finished. And actually, we're all finished at that point. It will be a case of "Release the hyenas!"

reason247

Nailed it. I'm in. You sir need to read up on Allodial title land.

cantaloupe6

This is the smart way to do it.

There is more that can be done though. Sun Tsu - "attack their vacuities" meaning there are critical areas that are weakly managed.

They need a strong military, they need a city supply chain to support foreign workers.

i.e. Cut it off, don't deliver food. Don't defend the country. Atlas Shrugged

CaptThorazine

...it's rule of law or not.

The globalists have already shitcanned the rule of law.

Dr5trangegov

sumbitches had better stay off my lawn.

Tyrone_Biggums

I like the way you think.

Mr_Quagmire

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

eulogyjones

To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them... I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people.

  • George Mason

Warnos44

All the people in control of money via banks and credit cards will force it.

Until we rebuild local governing townships and forget globalization (if you can't source it locally then we don't need it), they will always have the power.

The really bad thing is, there are people who think like we do, but aren't willing to give up the niceties of life.

I'm ready to go back to prejew world. But very few are willing to give up luxury for it.

cm18

All the people in control of money via banks and credit cards will force it.

How? The police are demoralized, and the military's unlikely to step in to stop a general disobedient but peaceful population.

The really bad thing is, there are people who think like we do, but aren't willing to give up the niceties of life.

If a general strike, disruption happens because of election irregularities, what message can they take away? Their niceties are going to dwindle as trucking strikes happen and as people refuse to pay taxes.

Warnos44

How do you get paid? You get a check that says the bank will transfer money from account to your account. Same way PayPal, visa and MasterCard stopped allowing money to process. If you can't get paid you have no money. And most businesses that are still in business aren't mom and pop shops who would be willing to pay in cash.

cm18

Want something shipped but there's a shortage on shipping? Those that are on strike are willing to ship, but only for cash. What are you going to do? Wait for a normal trucking firm, or shell out cold hard cash?

There's noting to stop people from re-igniting a cash economy, or to create alternative currencies. Hell, states could go back to minting gold and silver coins.

Warnos44

states could go back to minting gold and silver coins.

That is what needs to happen.

cantaloupe6

Stores can create their own store coupons-aka cash. The halal system is pure trust, so religious groups etc. can make a cash system. No need for global cash.

lostinapes

ehh, I dunno about 50%. Almost always the vast majority of the population is too retarded to weigh in heavily on either side of a conflict. The problem is you do need a hard core 20% of the population and until the starving starts everyone is basically a faggot.

Warnos44

Yes 20% in any given location. That's the problem. That would probably amount to closer to 50% of the population with the way we are spread out across the US.

cantaloupe6

Not really, see the pressure only has to be put on the few oligarchs. Say 20M people visit an oligarch to protest.

Carpools

The law is the law. The election, and those who win, or steal it, don't change the law.

You're morally obligated to follow the real law despite the occupation.

cm18

You're morally obligated to follow the real law despite the occupation.

False. You're not morally obligated because your choice was violated. You did not consent. You're not morally obligated to follow an agreement that has been violated. That does not mean you have the right to violate a moral law, but you're not bound to those laws that are not moral laws.

Carpools

laws that are not moral laws

There is no such thing. That is the point. The actual law is the actual law for all of humanity. Government reveals its legitimacy by adhering to them, or their illegitimacy by creating a bunch of nonsensical rules that have nothing to do with law.

Gitmo-or-Bust

Covid 19 ring a bell?

Carpools

Pretense of the day. Has nothing to do with the law, outside of exposing the criminal occupation that has used it.

cm18

There is no such thing.

Speeding. It's not immoral to speed. Taxes. It's not immoral to not pay taxes. There are plenty of laws that are not moral laws that we consent to because we need society to function better. But that does not make these laws "moral". It's simply a contractual agreement created when we vote. But if the vote is violated, the contract is broken.

Carpools

No there are not. You have been tricked by the people who changed "law writers" to "law makers". Laws exist. They're not made. They're respected or not.

WireResource

"The Law" is a moral contract. We delegate some authority to the state in exchange for it being a steward of our interests. Once it fails to represent our interests, in this case through election fraud, the contract is terminated.

Carpools

That's a fine pretense that some can believe in if they wish. However, the law remains the law. When the government is occupied by criminals, the law mandates opposing it.

WireResource

I believe we are arguing the same side.

toggafreggin

The only real laws are Nature's laws.

Carpools

Correct.