badp4nd4

Man, I can't even imagine the new levels of deregulation that will come to pass with Trump in power.

"From this day forward we will cut cards to determine whether a company will be obligated to pay taxes"

aileron_ron

No politicians has or ever will turn down lobbyists or corporations with big contributions. And from what I've been reading Mexico is doing great.

GhettoHaiku_4_You

Trump da best rapper

jeb bush a corrupt nigga

Felons cant vote tho

RedHawk

Im sure the Tel Aviv regime is laughing at us fat Americans right now and this joke of an election. Both parties and all the candidates in them are controlled by the Zionist lobby. If you believe in democracy find a third party to vote for, or just don't take part.

We should try and cover these people less here on /v/conspiracy , the only conspiracy is that they are all Zionists. This sort of exposure is what they want from us so any potential candidate that is outside of the main two pro-Jewish Zionist parties is ignored.

sapo

By all accounts (including his own), he should probably be registered as a lobbyist.

ximian

as a rank outsider, this man is comedy gold, a troll and raises some pretty important issues out of nowhere. how is he perceived in the stateside ?

JJEvil

That depends on who you're talking to. For the uneducated masses, he's the new messiah. The more outlandish the things he says are, the more they like him. Educated conservatives seem to be split on their opinions. Many of them think, or thought that he was a joke of a candidate while others were taking him seriously. Seems more of them take him seriously each day now, but they are still deciding if he's an ally or a threat. Liberals hadn't been paying much attention to him until the first debate. I think many are still forming opinions as well.

Here's my opinion, for what it's worth:

I understand the appeal. He says the things that the other candidates won't say because 1. He doesn't care. 2. Being a billionaire means he can. 3. It shows how fake everyone else is and how "real" he is. I'm entertained by what he is doing. He's acting like himself and making the others look like fools while he is doing it. He's telling everyone, in no uncertain terms that he can't be bought by corrupt billionaires because he IS the corrupt billionaire. He's the one that does the buying and gets the favors. It's quite funny seeing the other candidates squirm uncomfortably by his mere presence.

One thing that does strike me about the appeal though. People are tired of having candidates who are bought and paid for by corrupt billionaires, so they skip the middle man and jump straight to the corrupt billionaire? How does that make anything better? What we need is to be moving toward a system where elected officials don't have to be beholden to moneyed interests, not elections where only moneyed interests get to field the candidates.

Because of his positions though and because in principle, the idea of someone outright buying an election sickens me as much as candidates sucking off billionaires for donations does, there is NO way in hell I'm voting for him.

Pryce604

Wonderfully said.

ximian

thanks for taking the time to reply! yeah, it does seem to me that he's there to make hay while the sun shines.

erowidtrance

People are tired of having candidates who are bought and paid for by corrupt billionaires, so they skip the middle man and jump straight to the corrupt billionaire? How does that make anything better?

Just because he's a billionaire and has lobbied himself in the past doesn't mean he'll be as bad as the bought off politicians. The whole problem with lobbying is politicians end up representing their lobbyists not the voters or even their own conscience. At the very least Trump will be better than that, he will be able to act freely. Even if you don't agree with everything he stands for he'll be an improvement hence why the establishment is so clearly terrified of him.

There are only 2 ways that I see of sorting out this corrupt system. Either you elect someone entirely funded off small donations like Sanders or you elect someone like Trump who can fund a lot of his campaign himself. If you don't grab either of those options with both hands and just continue voting for the status quo that will do nothing to combat lobbying nothing will ever change.

Sinful_Casshern

Dude trump will always be a fucking dick in my books after what he did to those Scottish farmers for that golf course. It's funny how people jump on this guy's Dick after all the fucked up shit you here about him.

Drewcifer

I absolutely agree with this. Issue is if you aren't a fanboy of either, you see Trump as a crazy person and Sanders as a handout king.

I, personally, am leaning toward Sanders. I'll be happy if those two run against each other for president just so the status quo is broken.

erowidtrance

Either Sanders or Trump is better than the status quo for sure.

rumathlete_1

Im voting for the crazy bastard.

RedHawk

You're selling your country to Tel Aviv if you vote for a Republican or Democrat. They own and control both parties, Trump is no exception.

Scandinavian

Meh. Could be worse. Tel Aviv is an awesome city.

RedHawk

Yeah, built by our tax dollars while we Americans suffer.

Scandinavian

You get all of the money back in weapons purchases, basically. You sure seem to have decided you don't like Jews. Well, their opponents aren't a whole lot better, quite the opposite in fact.

Keep your tirade going. I'm sure you'll convince loads of people!

erowidtrance

If Trump somehow got into power and all he did was deal with the corruption that is lobbying it would be worth it. Just the fact he's making this into a big issue is incredibly valuable. It's probably the most important issue going because it impacts on every other and for obvious reasons it's rarely discussed.

The great thing is there's a massive incentive for him to talk about lobbying because it undermines all his opponents. They all look like complete puppets next to him and who wants to vote for a puppet?

brutal_maths

Ok, see if he divests from his own business interests before you get excited.

Pryce604

It really would.... but he could also just be talking bullshit to get into the white house and then do whatever the hell he wants. Reason I'm skeptical about him is because he openly states he's bought political corruption. Are we just supposed to ignore his dealing with the very thing he claims to eliminate because he suddenly had a change in heart? IMO he's just playing to the crowd and laughing behind closed doors. Like most of the candidates.

magic3383

I don't think Rand has much lobbyist money coming in.

RedHawk

If Trump somehow got into power and all he did was deal with the corruption that is lobbying it would be worth it.

He won't. We are being played by this guy, he is pro-Zionist and will continue the same path other Zionists have taken before.

When it comes to Jewish ties, no GOP candidate trumps Trump : He has a Jewish daughter, two Jewish grandkids, and endorses the war criminal Netanyahu

pooky

shill for israel confirmed. most anti-semite posts are from israel to discredit this thread.

erowidtrance

This is the key bit:

"But if you expect to find Jewish donors of influence in Trump’s network of associates, you’ll be disappointed: The billionaire’s campaign is self-financed, not donor-funded. Forbes estimates Trump’s net worth at about $4 billion; Trump says he’s worth $10 billion."

Most of the politicians are zionists. Who'ever is elected is going to be at a zionist to some degree, you've got to take that as a given. What you're trying to avoid is them being totally beholden to AIPAC and considering Trump is self-funding his campaign he's got to be an improvement over someone like Bush or Hillary.

As much as Trump might love Israel I believe he's a patriot that genuinely cares about America and I don't think he'd do whatever Israel wanted to the detriment of his country.

RedHawk

Most of the politicians are zionists. Who'ever is elected is going to be at a zionist to some degree, you've got to take that as a given.

This is the problem. And it will continue to be a problem if people just accept it and vote for a Zionist. More than 50 million Americans have no health insurance yet we are ready to send the Zionist regime 10 million USD per day ? Trump will not stop that and voting for any Zionist will not help the US.

As much as Trump might love Israel I believe is a patriot that genuinely cares about America

You cant love Israel and be patriotic, anyone that supports Israel is a traitor to the US.

erowidtrance

Lobbying is the fundamental reason organisation like AIPAC have influence over American policy. You must deal with the lobbying problem before you can sort out anything else. There is potential someone like Trump could do something to remedy this situation so you have to take that opportunity even if he's not perfect. You have to work in baby steps, the voters will not miraculously vote for some Christ figure who'll sort out everything in one fell swoop.

You cant love Israel and be patriotic, anyone that supports Israel is a traitor to the US.

Yes you can, you just can't put Israel before America. I don't think Trump would do that.

HST

Just the fact he's making this into a big issue is incredibly valuable

Or it could be completely valueless and he's just saying stuff to get elected.

pooky

shill confirmed

crusade

You have no idea what the overton window is.

We didn't get to modern day retardation overnight, shifting the narrative and public opinion is essential.

erowidtrance

No, it's inherently valuable regardless of his intentions. Just making lobbying part of the national debate and getting the general public discussing it is incredibly valuable.

The fact it's also an issue for Sanders makes things even more promising. You will never deal with the corruption of lobbying unless first the public are made aware of how destructive it is so there can then be a drive to change things. Trump is making the public painfully aware of how fucked up the system is which is incredibly positive.

FST

"Just making lobbying part of the national debate and getting the general public discussing it is incredibly valuable."

Very well said.