ZF_1

I think the point David Duke brought up about birth rates going down for European decent was interesting. I think for the zionist/ruling class its about eugenics of the lower classes. I think whites are just more susceptible to it media and culture are pushed towards them more then any other group.

richard_m_lurkmoar

Alex might regret having him on the show - he got schooled

Migrantworker

He works for Jews, if he went after them it was only diversionary tactic.

SarMegahhikkitha

Shameless plugging of my own sub /v/OrthodoxJudaism ; you're always welcome to debate the Jewish Question there if you keep things respectful.

Charlie_Prime

This is what my block from your sub looks like. Would you please ask the other mods why this happens?

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb466/CharliePrime/blockedfromvoatorthodox.png

RedHawk

What are your views of the Zionist regime in Occupied Palestine? If you support them then there is no point in debating.

SarMegahhikkitha

Post your own views there, I don't care what anybody posts as long as they're respectful. If you call out Jews for debate I will politely answer. Sorry we're getting downvoted here. I'm actually having ancient posts downvoted as well after making this comment.

If you're asking me what the Bible says, I would point to Zephaniah 2:5-7 to claim anybody occupying Palestine will bring trouble upon themselves, even the Palestinians, until peace has been restored to the Middle East ( Achat d'Geulah ), and any Jew claiming otherwise believes Galut (Exile) is over (an extremely heterodox opinion). The Jews believe the Land is willed to them by the L-rd , but they should also understand that the Land today cannot be (by unnatural means) restored to its historical borders, for "if it is of G-d, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing G-d," so their difficulties should be a sign to them. They should also remember they should never occupy Israel "as a wall" or "rebel among the nations that they live in" [Ketubot 110]. They should also remember how they curse themselves continually throughout the Bible due to sinat chinom ("baseless hatred") [Yoma 9b]. However, the few Jews who realize this middle ground (compassionate Zionism) have their hands bound because we will not be able to fight against prophecy, i.e. the Land will be partitioned and people will speak falsely crying peace when there is no peace (declaring the prophecies about the Gog and Magog War to be false and/or G-d dead).

At some point everyone with (extremely legitimate) grievances against Zionism has to figure out if they've set themselves against all Jews (even NK , Satmar , and other anti-Zionists), just the racist Jews, or G-d Himself (who commands us to settle the Land in Numbers 33:53 ). If you want to piss off the racist Jews, throw the above at them and it will incite them way more than any anti-Semitism (which they're used to) could; they will be forced to study Torah to try to refute you and thereby realize how foolish they were. If they rally around other Jews without believing the Torah, point out how racist that is. Think about it: arguing as a Jew makes you immune to JIDF crying anti-Semitism...

RedHawk

Thanks for your answer, from what I understand from your comment is that you do not recognize Israel and disagree with them calling themselves "the Jewish state"?

SarMegahhikkitha

My arguments cut both ways. "Coming as a wall" was not how British-owned Jerusalem was restored, so the Balfour Declaration can not be construed as contravening Ratzon (Will). "If it is of G-d" (along with a metric shit-ton of verses linking easy military victory to Divine Will) legitimizes the Six-Day War. However , the current situation with Palestine and Israel's neighbors most closely resembles Judges 1:19;2:3: "...they could not drive out the people who were living in the valley because those people had iron chariots... Therefore, I now say: I will not drive out these people before you. They will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a trap to you."

To whom should tolerant Muslims be likened? The G-d of Abraham loves them for worshiping the G-d of Abraham, much as He treasured the Gibeonites who behaved (demanding King Saul and his sons' lives as recompense for their murder), even though they were false converts . So my position echoes that of Yeshua (Joshua)--forgive them and let them draw near to holiness (to demonstrate bittachon , i.e. trust in G-d), even knowing they will commit hamas (violence) against us , just as the Garden was created knowing Adam would sin.

It is written, 'And on that day Joshua made [the Gibeonites] woodcutters and drawers of water for the community and for the altar of the L-rd' (Joshua 9:27). It makes sense [that Joshua made them serve] 'the community,' but 'the altar of G-d?' [What qualified them for such a lofty task, which would require special sanctity?] Rather, [this teaches] that Joshua kept the judgment regarding them in suspense. Joshua said, 'I will neither distance them nor bring them near [i.e., I will not decide whether they should be excluded from or included among the Jewish people]. Rather, the one who will build the Temple, whoever he wants to bring near, he will bring near, and whoever he wants to distance, he shall distance.'

See also Devarim Rabbah:

Joshua fulfilled [Deut 20:10; Deut 2:26]; what did [he] do? He sent a message... he who wants to make peace should come forward and make peace; and he who wants to run away should run away and he who wants to make war should come forward and fight. What did the Girgashites do? They turned around and went away, and the Holy One, Blessed be He, gave them a land as beautiful as their own--which is Africa. And Joshua made peace with the Gibeonites who came forward to make peace, but the thirty-one kings who came to fight with him were smitten ... "and they smote them, until they left none remaining" (Joshua 11:8).

Charlie_Prime

Why am I blocked from that sub?

SarMegahhikkitha

Dude I have no idea, I've never banned/blocked anyone before, so it would have to be voat admins. Can you take a screenshot so you can post that shadiness to this sub?

And now my ancient comments are getting downvoted... WEIRD.

Edit: People are saying it's a "bug" with CloudFlare . Did you actually hit the Submit button, or is that what you see when you click Discuss?

Charlie_Prime

Can't watch for a couple of days due to time constraints.

Did Jones go kookoo for Cocopuffs on Duke like he did on Piers Morgan, or were they congenial?

Did Jones use the " My little hook-nosed children " line? (That one always cracks me up.)

VoatForFreeSpeech

Not too nutty, but definitely lots of fireworks. I didn't hear anything about his children's noses, LMAO. Well this was a major breakthrough (assuming Jones actually believes the crap he spews out) in getting through to Jones on the Zionist issue.

Duke did get into a screaming match with one of the Jewish producers that Jones put on who kept denying Jewish power in the banking system and communism.

crusade

Seriously, the jew producer might as well have been denying the color of the sky

He picked the only three goy bankers then tried to call cherry picking

Charlie_Prime

Thanks man!